Fall from grace
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Mr Chicken
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LeeDevelopment":23oq712i said:
the logo has some sort of oriental vibe :? i just had a look at the http://www.saracen.co.uk website Grand theft auto with a bit of comic book thrown in, maybe thats what the kids like these days. whatever happened to understated class? really doesnt appeal to me in the slightest. i must be too old.
Carlos the Slackal
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http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40984 - Saracen.
Here's hoping that the new incarnation will see them back making great bikes, as many of their late 90s bikes were. Not just the Kilis, but many of the lower end ones were great value as well, such as the Tufftrax etc.
Here's hoping that the new incarnation will see them back making great bikes, as many of their late 90s bikes were. Not just the Kilis, but many of the lower end ones were great value as well, such as the Tufftrax etc.
Good luck to them justbackdated
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Voodoo for selling out-and appearing in Halfords-after I bought a 1st gen 'Made in America' Bizango frame.
Pace for selling out and making Matt, Adam, Maggy, Richard and I redundant! :roll:
Pace for selling out and making Matt, Adam, Maggy, Richard and I redundant! :roll:
Someone wrote Specialized were generic. Would beg to differ there. TBH would say that they if anyone have fallen upwards harder than anyone else.
The MTB brands I'd say have really lost their BITD status (even if it was generic at the time) would be GT, Kona, Marin. They're all still churning out high-end stuff but Specialized and to a far lesser extent Trek have just left them in the dust.
Road-wise, don't get me started. Just don't. Put it this way - the brands I'd buy today aren't Italian. They've just not kept up.
The MTB brands I'd say have really lost their BITD status (even if it was generic at the time) would be GT, Kona, Marin. They're all still churning out high-end stuff but Specialized and to a far lesser extent Trek have just left them in the dust.
Road-wise, don't get me started. Just don't. Put it this way - the brands I'd buy today aren't Italian. They've just not kept up.
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Don't see how Specialized or Trek are any different to Marin or Kona tbh. All seem mainstream and similar to me. :? GT are another matter. :roll:
GoldenEraMTB
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Some of the brands being mentioned didn't didn't have much "grace" to begin with. Grace, to me, means they could do no wrong, consensus walk on water brand.
GT, Specialized, Kona, VooDoo, and definitely barracuda all had their detractors. One would have to look to a brand that was iconic, when it came to MTB's, due to the name or build quality. If a brand goes out of business and no longer exists, then they didn't necessarily fall from grace. One could argue, it was better they die, then become less than what they were.
So...there were very few brands that were loved by all, and incapable of doing wrong, to only turn around, and become plain jane. That's why I picked WTB (Wilderness Trail Bikes).
Looking at this any other way, the list will be a long one, as most brands from the heyday of MTB, relative to RB, have gone they way of commercialism and the masses, mostly out of necessity.
GT, Specialized, Kona, VooDoo, and definitely barracuda all had their detractors. One would have to look to a brand that was iconic, when it came to MTB's, due to the name or build quality. If a brand goes out of business and no longer exists, then they didn't necessarily fall from grace. One could argue, it was better they die, then become less than what they were.
So...there were very few brands that were loved by all, and incapable of doing wrong, to only turn around, and become plain jane. That's why I picked WTB (Wilderness Trail Bikes).
Looking at this any other way, the list will be a long one, as most brands from the heyday of MTB, relative to RB, have gone they way of commercialism and the masses, mostly out of necessity.
