Falkland Islands

[t-stoff]

..and by the way, im no even trying to get a flame war or something, im just alerting you for those facts. For me this (Falklands subject and economy) is to complex to be discussed here without numbers and serious knowledge background on international rule of law, history and such.
The world and each situation here given as examples, doesnt make it black or white, it is in fact grey: dark, medium, light etc.

 

[suburbanreuben]

haha argentina is the 21st biggest economy in the world, larger than holland and australia. Sure they suffer from recession cycles more than us. That's because they actually still have industry and exports,whilst europe has just gone into a service economy...if anything in real terms their economy is healthier than ours.

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What utter drivel!
Kindly quote your source of this misinformation.
Methinks if you turned round and bent over, we might be able to hear you better...

I wouldn't normally quote Wiki as a reliable source, but it does handily have three ratings of countries' GDPs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)

wonderful...from your own list.

21 Argentina 716,419
22 Netherlands 704,034

nuff said.

Not on my list : List of countries by GDP (nominal),


on your list: List of countries by GDP (PPP),

Slightly different, since yours uses the concept of local purchasing power.

I had to search a bit for that one. I expect you did too... :roll:

 

[1duck]

..and by the way, im no even trying to get a flame war or something, im just alerting you for those facts. For me this (Falklands subject and economy) is to complex to be discussed here without numbers and serious knowledge background on international rule of law, history and such.
The world and each situation here given as examples, doesnt make it black or white, it is in fact grey: dark, medium, light etc.

I agree but the original statement, was pretty much suggesting that argentina was akin to the congo and that if the falklands were taken back by argentina they would suddenly fall into economic failure.

Which is clearly not true, argentina being one of the more developed south american countries and pretty european in terms of lifestyle.

 

[suburbanreuben]

haha argentina is the 21st biggest economy in the world, larger than holland and australia. Sure they suffer from recession cycles more than us. That's because they actually still have industry and exports,whilst europe has just gone into a service economy...if anything in real terms their economy is healthier than ours.

.

What utter drivel!
Kindly quote your source of this misinformation.
Methinks if you turned round and bent over, we might be able to hear you better...

I wouldn't normally quote Wiki as a reliable source, but it does handily have three ratings of countries' GDPs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)

wonderful...from your own list.

21 Argentina 716,419
22 Netherlands 704,034

nuff said.

And from your list:
18 Australia 914,482

Nuff said!

 

[suburbanreuben]

For the fortunate, yes...

 

[1duck]

haha argentina is the 21st biggest economy in the world, larger than holland and australia. Sure they suffer from recession cycles more than us. That's because they actually still have industry and exports,whilst europe has just gone into a service economy...if anything in real terms their economy is healthier than ours.

.

What utter drivel!
Kindly quote your source of this misinformation.
Methinks if you turned round and bent over, we might be able to hear you better...

I wouldn't normally quote Wiki as a reliable source, but it does handily have three ratings of countries' GDPs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)

wonderful...from your own list.

21 Argentina 716,419
22 Netherlands 704,034

nuff said.

Not on my list : List of countries by GDP (nominal),


on your list: List of countries by GDP (PPP),

Slightly different, since yours uses the concept of local purchasing power.

I had to search a bit for that one. I expect you did too... :roll:

Your list was, "Wiki as a reliable source, but it does handily have three ratings of countries' GDPs. "

I chose one of the three you linked to because PPP is the most representative of those that were linked to...because it takes into account cost of living in a country.

It's like saying people in northern canada have a higher gdp than those in the south which they do, because the minimum wage is higher. Yet they live bordering poverty because food and life costs are so much higher.

PPP is a much better representation of true earning power.

 

[1duck]

For the fortunate, yes...

That's true in every country, if i visited parts of north england as a tourist i'd think that britain was a third world country.

 

[t-stoff]

..and by the way, im no even trying to get a flame war or something, im just alerting you for those facts. For me this (Falklands subject and economy) is to complex to be discussed here without numbers and serious knowledge background on international rule of law, history and such.
The world and each situation here given as examples, doesnt make it black or white, it is in fact grey: dark, medium, light etc.

I agree but the original statement, was pretty much suggesting that argentina was akin to the congo and that if the falklands were taken back by argentina they would suddenly fall into economic failure.

Which is clearly not true, argentina being one of the more developed south american countries and pretty european in terms of lifestyle.

agreed, but still that's what undermines the whole discussion and values, as this current government has every bit of populist hypocrisy propaganda on its agenda, close related to what is the modus operandi of the bolivian states. An example of this is the confrontation with their long time investors like Spain (is in fact the biggest in Argentina) and subsequent nationalization of repsol, witch , sending a clear and IMO wrong message to the markets, investors and world.
EU pulled back on agreements on trade, per example.
So if they can do that without thinking on the future, they can do it to with the Falklands. The sole purpose is to regain support from their electorate, and extra income for the next few years.. then, as I've said, they will have the same fate as Chavez economy.

 

[1duck]

EU pulled back on agreements on trade, per example.
So if they can do that without thinking on the future, they can do it to with the Falklands. The sole purpose is to regain support from their electorate, and extra income for the next few years.. then, as I've said, they will have the same fate as Chavez economy.

You mean like maggie thatcher did in the 1980s to get herself re elected? throw out some nationalistic rhetoric send our soldiers into a war where about 800 i think british soldiers died. For what? so that maggie could get herself re elected.

Chavez economy is being ruined just because the americans don't like him and to be fair its easy to see why. The guy is on a major power trip, but i don't think that would happen in argentina his election was pretty much a violence free revolution. Whilst argentina is a democracy which is a lot more stable than venezuala

edit: the repsol thing, from what i understood they had debts totalling about 10 billion, not including the environmental damage that needed to be paid for to have it fixed. So the argentinians seized their assets, which seems fair...it's no worse than what the usa did to BP after their spill.

 

[davew]

If you want to expand the argument that Argentina should govern the people of the Falkland Islands because of some tenuous historic claim then I wonder how you're going to give the bad news to the good ole US of A that they don't have the right to govern themselves.

Argentina lost all and every right when they committed the crime of invading another country and holding the population of that country hostage. Argentinian politicians use the Falklands as a way of boosting their popularity at home by making crass statements in public. The last conflict came about because the then government saw it as a way of unifying the country politically and holding onto power. Ironically of course that worked better for the UK government than it did for the Argentinian government as it turned out.

The only country I know of that has lost a war to claim a territory and then managed to control the same territory through economic and political measures and negotiation would be Germany - discuss