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[technodup]

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Perhaps Great Britain will never again rule the world, but we did once.

I think we should start a bit of empire building again tbh.

Show Johnny Foreigner who's boss.




Start with Scotland if the poison dwarf starts any shit.

 

[M-Power]

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I see no reason for any arrangement to be permanent. One thing is for sure though, no one would be closing any gates on anyone already a member wishing to return.

That is a ridiculous concept.

Especially when that member is the most important globally, culturally, militarily and in many other ways.

No other country in Europe can claim the history of Great Britain, and they are all jealous, frankly.

Quite a number of those countries quiver inside the circle of the bigger players, afraid to rock the boat, happy for their crumbs.

Perhaps Great Britain will never again rule the world, but we did once.

More than any other nation.

We really did.

My ancestors did not die to ensure we had bratwurst from LIDL.

They don't like it up 'em!

For all its faults and good old Blighty has many, mainly the 6 different weather systems that routinely ruin our plans, it's such a civilised place to come back to. The British obsession with detail, about everything, has stood us in good stead. A nation of nimbies, neurotics but with a strong sense of fair play and tolerance. So many other nationalities love to hate us but in truth they wish they had much of what we take for granted.

 

[kingbling]

Does my statement point the blame at the EU ?

No but it conflates the effects of relative decline and globalisation with EU membership. You conclude that the the problem of being a country with declining ability to project influence is best solved by leaving the world's largest political and trading bloc.
Absolutely why stay in a place when no one listens to you why speak your mind when your just ignored. An old adage says "you don't know what you've got until its gone" . I think they will know what they've lost when we're gone. Spineless politicians who put up a show cower to their EU counterparts and capitulate at every turn. As for trade there is of course the rest of the world, will BMW stop selling cars in the UK I think not



The past is the past. Power has required progressively larger geographies: the UK was unable to go it alone in the 1940s, requiring continental-scale economies to have the economic might to support political intent.
The Americans and Canadians had a choice us or Hitler they knew they couldn't control Hitler and Backlash of the Jewish population in Americanwhich is where most of the wealth is

Now even continental-scale economies cannot operate in isolation, as the USA is beginning to discover.
Because America goes to war every one has to tag along Next time they want our help in a war lets give them the bill see how they like it They could of taken Iraq and Kuwait by themselves it would of cost them sure and for what peace in the middle east or to keep OPEC happy? Why aren't NATO sticking their nose in Syria's affairs scared of Russia or they don't produce enough oil to worry about Hmmm

I simply do not see what advantages we will extract by being on our own. I don't exactly see who are preferable friends...is it really to our advantage to be the sock puppets of China and Russia instead? Even the Americans have stated bluntly that they see our best position as allies is as EU members.
Americans yea American Bankers that says a lot and we'll never be sock puppets of China or Russia being part of NATO and ties to America but there would be no harm playing the field . And I simply don't see any point staying in, Europe does not have our values or our interest at heart The common man has nothing to lose leaving the EU the Very rich on the other hand do, The banking sector has had a big slice of pie from the Tax payer has the steel industry seen any crumbs?

I say what I like and I like what I say

 

[kingbling]

One more thing in or out will it stop me riding my bike, will it hell so I'm not bothered but I'm voting out because I can and if that gets rid of Cameron all the better

 

[technodup]

One more thing in or out will it stop me riding my bike, will it hell so I'm not bothered but I'm voting out because I can and if that gets rid of Cameron all the better

Hear hear. Let's gtfo and get some proper conservatism at the same time.

Given an out vote I'd also propose a statue of Nigel Farage for outside Westminster. One, as a thanks for being the key driver of the out bus, and two, as a reminder to the muppets inside that sometimes those outside actually have more relevance and influence with the people than they do.

 

[highlandsflyer]

I look forward to UKIP's ban on eating snails, drinking foreign beer and speaking anything but the Queen's English.

They may have to ban Bergerac, and 'Allo, 'Allo!, so it's swings and roundabouts.

 

[brocklanders023]

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those outside actually have more relevance and influence with the people than they do.

You're talking about Farage here? The bloke who's so influential and relevant that he couldn't win the easiest seat they could find for him and is desperate to be 'on the inside'?

 

[02gf74]

One more thing in or out will it stop me riding my bike, will it hell so I'm not bothered but I'm voting out because I can and if that gets rid of Cameron all the better

In or out of the eu is a far more important issue than whether or be that tool camermoron is on or not, he's only got a couple more years before he hits the after dinners peach market to reign in millions.

The decision should be made what is best for you, you children's future and the country's future not on what happens to camermoron

 

[kingbling]

One more thing in or out will it stop me riding my bike, will it hell so I'm not bothered but I'm voting out because I can and if that gets rid of Cameron all the better

In or out of the eu is a far more important issue than whether or be that tool camermoron is on or not, he's only got a couple more years before he hits the after dinners peach market to reign in millions.

The decision should be made what is best for you, you children's future and the country's future not on what happens to camermoron

I was more interested in your brake disc mount (Good job BTW) than I am in the politics of being in or out of Europe. At the end of the day the politicians will make decisions that I/we have no control over wether we are in Europe or not. We have been in the EU since 73 and I have never felt like a european in those 43 years and yes I have been to europe but I see no relevance with that culture to my own. Sometime you have to stand on your own 2 feet roll your sleeves up and get on with it, sometimes its better to rock the boat just let people know your not scared of the water

Thats my last comment on the subject there's a really nice piece in the back of the comic on a Molteni Team Bike now that piece of Europe I can get to grips with

 

[technodup]

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those outside actually have more relevance and influence with the people than they do.

You're talking about Farage here? The bloke who's so influential and relevant that he couldn't win the easiest seat they could find for him and is desperate to be 'on the inside'?

Nigel Farage is the single biggest reason we're even having this referendum.

UKIP as a relatively young party suffers under FPTP so no seats are easy to win. And yet the Tories were so scared of him winning they massively overspent on their local campaign and manipulated it in their accounting.

But regardless of that loss (or actually losses) their rise has been impressive and hugely influential. 3m votes in a GE and winning the Euro elections. A level of support the government couldn't ignore even though they wanted to.

So like him or loathe him to say he's not been influential is stupid. Not even Cameron would say that, and he'd say pretty much anything.