EU, impartial facts. Where to find

[brocklanders023]

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What about the fact that is you help develop places like turkey and create jobs there then there's less chance of them wanting to 'come over here, stealing our jobs'.

Add to that they won't be here so that means more jobs for the locals and less immigration which is exactly what most brexit dudes want. Yet they use it as an argument against.......

 

[technodup]

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What about the fact that is you help develop places like turkey and create jobs there then there's less chance of them wanting to 'come over here, stealing our jobs'.

Erm, there are swathes of our own country we'd probably be better off developing for ourselves before we consider the needs of Turkey.

South Wales for one, as per your previous example.

And of course 'develop' in your Turkey scenario actually means 'pay for'. Because we, neither the people nor the government have any say whatsoever in what happens elsewhere. (As it should be, minus the cost, regulations and lack of democracy). What we actually have is all of the above, and still no say.

 

[brocklanders023]

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Yep, contribute to the cost to stop them wanting to leave home. Thought you let would be all over anything that keeps them away?

In the mean time, the jobs lost from the closed plant can be replaced by the jobs the immigrants would have done. I thought you'd think that sort of idea was a belter? :?

 

[technodup]

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Yep, contribute to the cost to stop them wanting to leave home. Thought you let would be all over anything that keeps them away?

I couldn't care less what they want to do.

If we control our own borders like every other country on planet earth it wouldn't matter what they want. We'll take those we need and no more.

The logistics of the EU are mental, any fool can see that. But it's about the right for us, the plebs to vote out a government if we don't want them which is the most important issue here. Not a few pounds either way. Not immigration, which should be basic common sense. Not about what the Tories will do, because if we don't like that they'll be gone.

As the Brexit film made clear none of us understand the EU. It's decision making process. It's various councils and commissions. It's endless rules and regulations. It's remote, it's opaque and it's unaccountable and it's been designed that way to keep us out of the loop. We might not like the Lords, or the fact we have too many MPs but they're here, they're visible, we get the basic process and we know we can kick them out. It's called democracy. It's not perfect but I quite like it. We are waving goodbye to it if we vote to stay.

**** the EU.

 

[brocklanders023]

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I couldn't care less what they want to do.

If we control our own borders like every other country on planet earth it wouldn't matter what they want. We'll take those we need and no more.

f**k the EU.

Thank you and good night.

 

[technodup]

The fact that can be construed as in any way controversial shows just how fucked up we've become.

Don't say you weren't warned.

 

[highlandsflyer]

I am in no way anti immigration, and I am not even falling back on that argument being used by some that they don't mind it as long as it is up to them where they come from. (As if the people who want to prevent other EU nations making themselves at home would welcome more than an elite handful from anywhere else. It is just a convenient tactical attempt to prevent people labelling them as anti immigration in total.)

I resent the suggestion all out supporters are the same, Daily Mail, Sun absorbing cave dwellers. (By the way, the journalism in those toilet rolls is not all bad.)

My views are concerning the actual fact that we have very little democracy in the EU.

That alone is enough of a reason to leave.

We can always join again given a compelling attraction.

Suggesting otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[Mike Muz]

Surely even this current bunch can get something positive for this country, by negotiating with the EU, our biggest trading partner, whereas out of it, we can't

Do you think we would be allowed by other member states to rejoin with exactly the same trading agreement ? I don't

All this fanny about controlling our borders, here's a shocking announcement. WE ALREADY DO :shock: Which is why many illegals get sent back across the Channel.
Also, there are controls in France and Belgium, to try and stop them getting on the boats in the first place. Were we to leave, they would close those controls. Result, we deal with them in this country.
How can that be a good thing?

 

[M-Power]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rkers.html

These guys still vote remain of course :facepalm:

 

[technodup]

Surely even this current bunch can get something positive for this country, by negotiating with the EU, our biggest trading partner, whereas out of it, we can't

72 challenges by the UK. 72 defeats. We have no influence whatsoever.

Do you think we would be allowed by other member states to rejoin with exactly the same trading agreement ? I don't

Who wants back in? The process is the same for us as any other country, the relevant part of the treaty is linked above.

All this fanny about controlling our borders, here's a shocking announcement. WE ALREADY DO :shock: Which is why many illegals get sent back across the Channel.

We're not talking about illegals. We're talking about the 500 million who have the right to wander right in. But having said that we do have a lot of illegals too.

Assuming they have our interests at heart is the problem. They don't. The project comes first.