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That man has had too much eggnog.
legrandefromage":3ooajtt8 said:autonomous vehicles are a bit of a red herring at the moment
torqueless":1uigi090 said:I'm just saying that the 'demand' is conditioned entirely by the socio-economic milieu. There is a demand for mortice locks, alarms, police and prisons because we are led to believe we live amongst thieves and murderers. Or to put it another way, you have to provide fertile ground for the proliferation of thieves and murderers before you can profit from selling mortice locks and alarms and such to people who, under a saner system, would have no concept of the utility of a mortice lock, the 'demand' for which would be a sign of eccentricity, idiocy, or insanity.
brocklanders023":1hehe0zj said:Interesting to read a review of the BMW iX3 today as it is a great big thing, has a decent range of 250 miles + and although still expensive it undercuts the rivals by a significant amount and isn’t a million miles away from the derv/petrol version in price.
The market is developing at pace so the prospect of a useable van shouldn’t be too far away.
torqueless":2mvtvbp4 said:@greencat/CassidyAce:
with regard to cats and squirrels I guess the fundamental question is: "Is there a qualitative difference between what they do to fulfil their day's nutritional requirements and what we do?"
In the context of this thread, I just think that the demand, or need for unlimited mileage in a personal vehicle at ever increasing speeds has not been examined, maybe precisely because it comes at an 'environmental' cost, and, to abandon it, a societal re-organisation cost, that almost nobody is prepared to consciously and publicly acknowledge.
These days you're in a permanent state of cognitive dissonance, asking yourself questions like: "What is the ecological footprint of a David Attenborough documentary series?" Anyone who does metaphors and similes can fathom from that question pretty much how I feel about electric cars.
legrandefromage":1x87ykql said:looking into the carbon footprint side of things:
this site is fairly rational and explains it well without yogurt knitting
https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/tech/envi ... tric-cars/
Then theres the battery ingredients
https://www.mining.com/carmakers-have-b ... el-prices/
https://www.raconteur.net/corporate-soc ... an-rights/
Yes, except that the only shifts that are allowed to occur are in the direction of more technology, more surveillance, more speed, more data, more pollution, more resource extraction, more inequality.It seems to me that society can make massive shifts like this (eg the adoption of smartphones and more recently, response to pandemic).