Early Saracen Lovers Anonymous......

[Carlos the Slackal]

Oh man, what have I created?


This is truly inspiring stuff, people, keep it coming! Still looking for that Gold Kili with the first series XTR and Ritchey WCS finishing kit, though!

 

[drystonepaul]

Do you mean this one Carlos?

 

[Carlos the Slackal]

Sadly not, but thanks! Must have been the next year, as it wasn't an e-stay. I wish I could really remember what it was better, but I only ever saw one, back when I first started working in a bike shop. It was a long time ago!


It was the first year they did that lovely rigid fork of theirs, and the spec was impeccable.

 

[Easy_Rider]

Sadly not, but thanks! Must have been the next year, as it wasn't an e-stay. I wish I could really remember what it was better, but I only ever saw one, back when I first started working in a bike shop. It was a long time ago!


It was the first year they did that lovely rigid fork of theirs, and the spec was impeccable.

Was it a '93 then? You must have seen the '93 catalogue http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... +catalogue

 

[onza100]

I'd love that xtr one. I keep getting tempted to upgrade bits on mine!

 

[dendy]

I'd love that xtr one. I keep getting tempted to upgrade bits on mine!

Me too. For me the Tange frames are perfect for mid range lx/dx. However if I do get my mits on one of the true temper avr(think thats what it was) frames like the kili xtr and my old traverse, I will certainly look to lavish with XT/ XTR

Am I right in thinking my old traverse 92 frame and the other avr frames are considerably lighter than the tange?

 

[legrandefromage]

the lowly Diamond Back Topanga came with True Temper AVR

 

[dendy]

the lowly Diamond Back Topanga came with True Temper AVR

You certainly have a point in general.

I just wandered if there was a big difference between the tange and avr frames. In Saracen terms they used the avr on the higher end 92 range and the tange on lower end. I mean if both materials were as good why make identical frames out of different materials. Unless it was a case of supply..

 

[legrandefromage]

I dont think saracen themselves new either

 

[chaser]

Use of different frame materials could just be to give differenciation between Sport and Competition ranges.

It does not necessarily mean one is better than the other as a material.

Also consider that they would play with the number of tubes that were constructed from a particular material.

For example, lower range frames may only have 'XXX main tube' or 'main tubes' or 'frame tubes'

You see where I am comming from?

BTW Protrax SE 97 frame No is A708000002

Cheers,

Chaser.