e-bike fires

[Imlach]

Then you sir are at the pinnacle of human evolution

That is what they say

 

[Mickeyspinn]

Properly manufactured, it is of course very safe, the problem is the nature of production due to high demand and societal reliance, there's a lot of corners being cut and a huge lack of quality control. And the problem is that when we are talking large mass forms of transport, like busses and trucks, trams etc being powered that way, they are essentially ticking bombs because lithium fires are some of the most reactive and hardest to smother. In smaller applications, I'm less wary.

You can bet your bottom dollar when it comes to public transport and lithium batteries it'll be the safest quality you'll get.
Normal trains still crash,planes fall out of the sky cars with all the safety jazz still crash....
I think because of whipped up fear maybe people storing their lithium bike batteries in damp garages and sheds thinking they're safe probably doesn't help......and obviously people's incessant stupidity of buying cheap......

 

[Imlach]

You can bet your bottom dollar when it comes to public transport and lithium batteries it'll be the safest quality you'll get.
Normal trains still crash,planes fall out of the sky cars with all the safety jazz still crash....
I think because of whipped up fear maybe people storing their lithium bike batteries in damp garages and sheds thinking they're safe probably doesn't help......and obviously people's incessant stupidity of buying cheap......

Not denying the fact that what's used in the public transport sector is safe. Simply pointed out that I do believe the risk of rapid widespread fires is real, because of the nature of lithium when it combusts, and that's also why there's so much research being done and different methods of utilising this power source is being tested. I just don't share any optimism about an electric future. And I certainly don't think that we should assume that just because it's been used in very crucial sectors of society, that it isn't going to fall prey, being allured by the opportunity of cheaper, leaa quality assured production because they want faster up scaling of an EV society, particularly as many countries have crucial sectors such as public transport privatised, sold to highest bidder.

The green new future feels more like a crusade, sweeping continents, than an actual conscious effort to tackle anything.

 

[Mickeyspinn]

Not denying the fact that what's used in the public transport sector is safe. Simply pointed out that I do believe the risk of rapid widespread fires is real, because of the nature of lithium when it combusts, and that's also why there's so much research being done and different methods of utilising this power source is being tested. I just don't share any optimism about an electric future. And I certainly don't think that we should assume that just because it's been used in very crucial sectors of society, that it isn't going to fall prey, being allured by the opportunity of cheaper, leaa quality assured production because they want faster up scaling of an EV society, particularly as many countries have crucial sectors such as public transport privatised, sold to highest bidder.

The green new future feels more like a crusade, sweeping continents, than an actual conscious effort to tackle anything.

Agree about the sweeping continents and not really a conscious effort to face the real problems wholeheartedly
The real problem is humanities greed and wanton desire of an entitled easy life!
However till that gets sorted unless we all start sailing down the road on land yachts there's no other alternative!

 

[Imlach]

Agree about the sweeping continents and not really a conscious effort to face the real problems wholeheartedly
The real problem is humanities greed and wanton desire of an entitled easy life!
However till that gets sorted unless we all start sailing down the road on land yachts there's no other alternative!

And with that society should come true understanding from employers as well, land yachters calling in 'No wind today, I'm afraid I'm not coming in' and the employer responding 'It's okay, the hill I found on this 1810 map of the UK didn't include the fact that it's been turned into high rise flats and they wouldn't let me paraglide from the top, see you next storm season!'

 

[Mickeyspinn]

And with that society should come true understanding from employers as well, land yachters calling in 'No wind today, I'm afraid I'm not coming in' and the employer responding 'It's okay, the hill I found on this 1810 map of the UK didn't include the fact that it's been turned into high rise flats and they wouldn't let me paraglide from the top, see you next storm season!'

Haha!
I remember calling a boss once....it seemed a great idea after the pub on a Friday night to go to Cornwall for breakfast.....old van....engine died....part unavailable....won't be in Monday..er...maybe Tuesday!?
Get here by helicopter don't give a f#£k get here Monday.....phone slammed down.
I called him back...f#£k your job.....bye!
Stayed down in Cornwall for a week in the clothes I was wearing Friday night and had some of the best surf of my life!
Priorities....get em in order and everything's good.

 

[hookooekoo]

Lithium battery powered transport will always carry with it these risks, one reason why I am particularly sceptical of electric public transport, huge health hazard. If I owned an ebike I'd not want to store it inside, I'd probably store it in my nagging neighbours garage. Just in case.

It's the E-buses I'm worried about. When they go wrong it's like a fireworks factory accident!

 

[Siish]

Get here by helicopter don't give a f#£k get here Monday.....phone slammed down.
I called him back...f#£k your job.....bye!
Stayed down in Cornwall for a week in the clothes I was wearing Friday night and had some of the best surf of my life!
Priorities....get em in order and everything's good

I agree, people need to remember that they work to live, and not live to work, if you suddenly keel over and kick the bucket, your family will miss you for the rest of their life, your boss on the other hand will be advertising for staff to replace you within a few days,

 

[greencat]

The green new future feels more like a crusade, sweeping continents, than an actual conscious effort to tackle anything.

I agree, a lot of feels quite performative and an attempt to maintain status quo rather than do the necessary deep work and think about what we really value as a species. It ain't a greener iPhone, but more the kind of stuff @Siish is talking about. We could live far happier, richer, more rewarding - and lower carbon - lives if we shifted away from prioritising stuff, instagram status seeking etc.

 

[CassidyAce]

Fires have been known to start in internal combustion engines too... In any case, if deaths and injuries from e-bike fires were compared with deaths and injuries from road traffic accidents, I expect that the latter would dwarf the former.

While e-bikes might pose their own risks, surely they're a step in the right direction. Someone I know made the switch this year from car to e-bike for his 10 mile journey to work. For five days a week, and ten miles each way, that's 100 miles and over a dozen kilos of CO2 that is not now coming out his exhaust each week, even in an economical car. Add to that the land area that has had to be tarmacked for roads and car parking, the manufacturing and disposal/recycling impacts, and, of course, the greater risk of killing or injuring other road users, and mass switching to e-bikes for such journeys surely looks like a step in the right direction. Not perfect—as Jerry Garcia said, constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil—but not as bad.