CroMo steel with webbed tubing matrix

[rwm1962]

Cool. For myself I've gone from the curious stage to not giving a **** & just riding it stage. My question has been answered.

 

[klunkrider]

It said it removes the need for gusseting but gussetsare clearly visible on the frame so, yeah, marketing bs in my book too.

 

[rwm1962]

No it doesn't. The actual wording is 'without extra gusset work...' The frame had less gussets than the regular P7 of same year.

I wanted to know what it meant. I now know.

 

[Imlach]

It looks like a nice frame nonetheless

All modern steel shall be cherished

 

[rwm1962]

So they just made it up. For this one lower end model. Got it. Thanks. Bastards.

Edit - for clarification this reply was to a now deleted post from Synchronicity

 

[synchronicity]

Well, I deleted because I realised that I guess it's possible that it could have "tubes within tubes" structure at the ends, although I think it's suspicious because they don't even have a simple diagram or illustration referring to it. Also, it's not a super high end frame...

The traditional way has always been butted tubing. Light in the middle, thicker at the ends.

 

[rwm1962]

I suspect the lattice isn't actually visible to the naked eye & it seems something they thought not worth pursuing longer term. The bike was only around for 2 years. Any benefits may have been outweighed by other factors.

 

[rwm1962]

Just noticed the decal.

 

[novocaine]

Given that Orange don't make their own tubing I reckon it will more likely be that one of the design team high ups (hehe, orange high up, ever been to the place?) Was strolling around a trade show for nerds (sorry, engineers) and spotted something cool a tubing manufacturer was doing for another industry. Liked the idea and asked if it could be done in a suitable frame material. Just the tooling up to do this alone would cost a fortune and isn't a normal process, so it's unlikely that Orange asked for it in concept.

This would lead nicely to why they only did it once. When the process wasn't viable to the tube maker, they bump the price and Orange can thebidea.

 

[rwm1962]

Given the huge amount of tubings around from the likes of Columbus, Reynold etc it may even be bike specific & sold under a different name we'd recognise. Orange have used their own 'series' branding on tubing they've used in the past. There are different recipes for different tubing. How this one is described may be accurate but more common than we're supposing if the matrix is at a molecular level.

Given they dropped BOTH the P7 & P7 Pure after 2012 it may just be the case that when the P7 was introduced again in 2016 industry standards didn't lend themselves to that tubing or some other strategic decision meant it was just Reynolds was used on the new design P7.