clockwork vs. stumpjumper

[ddidds]

the clockwork is a beautiful frame above anything else.
the thin pipes gives a special look to the overall bike. it's slim and fine , therefore very fast.
the fact that you can build a under 9.5 kg bike with a 1993 frame is amazing!
cro-mo makes the bike more elastic and therefore more comfortable to ride than aluminum. if you have a look on orange's website there is a video where one of the founders of orange bikes states that cro-mo (tange cro-mo) is the best ever material for building bikes, and the orange clockwork is a proof of that!

i truly deeply madly love the clockworks!

Weren't steel stumpjumpers tange crmo too though?

i didn't say anything bad about the stumpjumpers as i never owned one
i just felt like praising the clockwork :roll:

 

[Err]

the clockwork is a beautiful frame above anything else.
the thin pipes gives a special look to the overall bike. it's slim and fine , therefore very fast.
the fact that you can build a under 9.5 kg bike with a 1993 frame is amazing!
cro-mo makes the bike more elastic and therefore more comfortable to ride than aluminum. if you have a look on orange's website there is a video where one of the founders of orange bikes states that cro-mo (tange cro-mo) is the best ever material for building bikes, and the orange clockwork is a proof of that!

i truly deeply madly love the clockworks!

Weren't steel stumpjumpers tange crmo too though?

i didn't say anything bad about the stumpjumpers as i never owned one
i just felt like praising the clockwork :roll:

Don't roll your eyes at me, it's just a friendly note that there are stumpjumpers in tange too.

 

[kool maudit]

well, from what i remember my 1992 stumper had that steel "give," but was not particilarly whippy. it felt long and somewhat low - a sled, a good descender.

 

[Anthony]

Well if you find the ‘whippy’ concept attractive and you’ve already had a steel Stumpy, I would strongly recommend that you try a Clockwork or the subsequent C16R as a comparison. It was a genuine poor man’s racer and the base model in the Orange range and yet it stands comparison with any rigid steel bike of that time, especially as the H8 (?) forks on the C16R are equally good (lighter and better than a tb P2 IMPE). I certainly agree with Cherrybomb that it always feels fast. I can’t tell you why, but it’s a very light frame and I guess this just creates a fun factor that powers you along. It just skips through stuff that would shake you up on a heavier/stiffer frame. I honestly think that, especially considering its price, it is one of the genuine classics of the retro mtb era.

The very first mtb magazine I ever bought in 97 had a comparison test between a C16R with rigid forks and STX-RC kit, a Cinder Cone, a Hoo-Koo-e-Koo, a Karakoram, and a few other bikes at that price level and I remember the picture of the ‘slime green’ (i.e., loud!) C16R captioned ‘class in the grass’. That sums it up pretty well, it was the lightest and the fastest and the classiest and it won the test easily.

 

[GoldenEraMTB]

Is this a question of a choice you're going to make? Having owned a bunch of stumpjumpers over the years, I would go for the Orange, just to have something different...don't think they were ever available in the states....hmmm, can someone link me to a good resource on them- I'd like to read up on their history.

I have most of the Brochures/catalogues that orange brought out since 1991 if you want me to send you some PDF files containing these then dont hessitate to ask!

Thanks...I will definitely keep this in mind