Bike pricing disparity.
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Why are decent panel saws so cheap? 
ebikes - getting more downhill runs without the uplift or grunt of an uphill ride seems to be the way with a lot of hardcore riders I know.
For my Mrs - her health is fecked & she used to be a damn fine mountain biker. For my old man - he doesn't drive, hadn't ridden a bike for 30 odd years & is 82.
Motorbike no good for any of the above.
ebikes - getting more downhill runs without the uplift or grunt of an uphill ride seems to be the way with a lot of hardcore riders I know.
For my Mrs - her health is fecked & she used to be a damn fine mountain biker. For my old man - he doesn't drive, hadn't ridden a bike for 30 odd years & is 82.
Motorbike no good for any of the above.
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Why are we debating ebikes, the poor fella just wants one for his use and to use as he wants.
The debate was in another thread.
This is debating the markup cost of them, an extra 600 quid or whatever the motor costs is fine, the extra strength and lack of a broad range of e-bike specific groupsets doesn't help. But now Shimano is making central motors and is getting there give it a while and there will be an e-SIS 12speed sticker on the side.
Have you seen Paces new one?
Why are we debating ebikes, the poor fella just wants one for his use and to use as he wants.
The debate was in another thread.
This is debating the markup cost of them, an extra 600 quid or whatever the motor costs is fine, the extra strength and lack of a broad range of e-bike specific groupsets doesn't help. But now Shimano is making central motors and is getting there give it a while and there will be an e-SIS 12speed sticker on the side.
Have you seen Paces new one?
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I’ll not get into my thoughts on ebikes as that’s not this thread.
But in reality a motorbike is the nearest item in comparison to a ebike. Yes all the ebike gang want to say it’s not a motorbike and it’s just a pushbike with a little help But it’s a bike with a motor. All be it electric rather than petrol.
If the OP had said “ I can’t believe the price of ebikes compared to a motorbike. “
Both are two wheeled transport and serve somewhat the same purpose. But the motorbike would have far more value in terms of its parts and overall cost to build.
But he compared a ebike with a saw or some other machinery. And of course that piece of machinery isn’t much use to you if you need 2 wheeled assisted transport.
Truth be told ebikes are targeted at the age group that can afford them and want to be seen riding them. They are priced to that market and be all accounts sell very well.
“I can’t believe the price of a new Ford Fiesta. I can buy a small village in Africa for that”
I’ll not get into my thoughts on ebikes as that’s not this thread.
But in reality a motorbike is the nearest item in comparison to a ebike. Yes all the ebike gang want to say it’s not a motorbike and it’s just a pushbike with a little help But it’s a bike with a motor. All be it electric rather than petrol.
If the OP had said “ I can’t believe the price of ebikes compared to a motorbike. “
Both are two wheeled transport and serve somewhat the same purpose. But the motorbike would have far more value in terms of its parts and overall cost to build.
But he compared a ebike with a saw or some other machinery. And of course that piece of machinery isn’t much use to you if you need 2 wheeled assisted transport.
Truth be told ebikes are targeted at the age group that can afford them and want to be seen riding them. They are priced to that market and be all accounts sell very well.
“I can’t believe the price of a new Ford Fiesta. I can buy a small village in Africa for that”
Actually D8mok, and (others) are pretty much correct, and maybe its just more effort needed on my part. Just unfortunately the vascular issue, and me thinking long term to keep moving and a wheelchair at bay
Although I do like those motorbike wheelchair things.
Theres just too much disparity, and they(Ebikes) are really just a bad lot, bringing out the worst in money hungry capitalists.
My point point over comparing it to like a 'cheap' panel saw is for decades I've had no income beyond disability benefit, and made do with the cheap, the bad the least capable option, and frittered away any extra on bikes, and bike bits. But this pandemic, coupled with the need to get shot of a lot of it, has meant I've accumulated just under 4 thousand, of what is effectively expendable income.
Those years of being the canny Scot makes me not want to waste this lump sum by putting it in someone else's pocket.
But its just a distraction
Although I do like those motorbike wheelchair things.
Theres just too much disparity, and they(Ebikes) are really just a bad lot, bringing out the worst in money hungry capitalists.
My point point over comparing it to like a 'cheap' panel saw is for decades I've had no income beyond disability benefit, and made do with the cheap, the bad the least capable option, and frittered away any extra on bikes, and bike bits. But this pandemic, coupled with the need to get shot of a lot of it, has meant I've accumulated just under 4 thousand, of what is effectively expendable income.
Those years of being the canny Scot makes me not want to waste this lump sum by putting it in someone else's pocket.
But its just a distraction 
dyna-ti":uewdqlkb said:
dyna-ti":uewdqlkb said:
Welcome to commercialism.
Specifically regarding any "new" technology, until it reaches a point of design/evolution stability, costs will remain all over the place and / or it's the new shiny thing, let's charge a premium.
Factor in COVID, it's a fine time to be in the bike industry - make hay whilst the virus shines.
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Dont forget your e-bike specific lights now!
https://ride.lezyne.com/collections/led ... d0aSbHLk7A
and in no way do they remind me of...
https://ride.lezyne.com/collections/led ... d0aSbHLk7A
and in no way do they remind me of...
Yeah, poo looking lights, and not a lot of power considering you've up to an 1125w battery at your command.
I'd want something like those cheap Chinese ebay ones @10,000 lumens. Cooks anything up to 5" in front of it.
At least I've half solved my have fun while going to get my shopping bike prob. Looks quite the thing I reckon
I'd want something like those cheap Chinese ebay ones @10,000 lumens. Cooks anything up to 5" in front of it.
At least I've half solved my have fun while going to get my shopping bike prob. Looks quite the thing I reckon
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Saw this thread earlier in the week but didn't have the time/energy to respond. A couple of points:
1) I understand that ebike sales in the UK increased from 60,000 units last year to around 100,000 so this year: a 67% uplift. That indicates that demand is outstripping supply: prices are likely to be high. It's too quick for producers to expand their manufacturing capacity (especially in this year's circumstances) to achieve greater economies of scale: that will tend to keep prices relatively high. Furthermore, it will take longer for new entrants to the market to arrive, introduce more competition and drive prices down. In short, the ebike market is out of equilibrium, immature if it's growing rapidly and, yes, there probably are excess profits being made. In other words, basic economics applies. It might be a frustrating time for buyers but probably for sellers too: in other circumstances, they could both increase profits and lower prices. A canny, 'prieswert' Scot has probably benefited when the reverse applies and sellers have lost out so, although the frustration is understandable, this is just the flip side of a market economy.
2) You might have considered and rejected this idea already but wouldn't an ebike conversion kit for a bike you already have be a sensible solution. My concern with a dedicated ebike would be focused on when the battery reaches end of life. Will the batteries still be available and will producers, effectively, have monopolies on batteries that only fit their bikes due to a lack of industry standards. If so, you would be stuck in a similar situation again, frustrated by a market that isn't functioning well for consumers. A conversion kit is not as elegant but would alleviate that risk.
Saw this thread earlier in the week but didn't have the time/energy to respond. A couple of points:
1) I understand that ebike sales in the UK increased from 60,000 units last year to around 100,000 so this year: a 67% uplift. That indicates that demand is outstripping supply: prices are likely to be high. It's too quick for producers to expand their manufacturing capacity (especially in this year's circumstances) to achieve greater economies of scale: that will tend to keep prices relatively high. Furthermore, it will take longer for new entrants to the market to arrive, introduce more competition and drive prices down. In short, the ebike market is out of equilibrium, immature if it's growing rapidly and, yes, there probably are excess profits being made. In other words, basic economics applies. It might be a frustrating time for buyers but probably for sellers too: in other circumstances, they could both increase profits and lower prices. A canny, 'prieswert' Scot has probably benefited when the reverse applies and sellers have lost out so, although the frustration is understandable, this is just the flip side of a market economy.
2) You might have considered and rejected this idea already but wouldn't an ebike conversion kit for a bike you already have be a sensible solution. My concern with a dedicated ebike would be focused on when the battery reaches end of life. Will the batteries still be available and will producers, effectively, have monopolies on batteries that only fit their bikes due to a lack of industry standards. If so, you would be stuck in a similar situation again, frustrated by a market that isn't functioning well for consumers. A conversion kit is not as elegant but would alleviate that risk.
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Big subject this. Seen a lot of older and family riders on ebikes around my town. Its definitely a growing phenomenon and surely reduces car use. I would consider a high end kinda blingy hub drive system you could build up yourself for an ol classic bike. Swop the wheels out quickly to convert it. The products that exist just look agricultural atm. C’mon CK build one !
Big subject this. Seen a lot of older and family riders on ebikes around my town. Its definitely a growing phenomenon and surely reduces car use. I would consider a high end kinda blingy hub drive system you could build up yourself for an ol classic bike. Swop the wheels out quickly to convert it. The products that exist just look agricultural atm. C’mon CK build one !
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