Beautiful TIG Welds

Some recent bead by my co-worker, some guy named Frank The Welder;

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Frank lays down different shapes and styles of bead on different bikes for shits and giggles and the sake of doing cool stuff...

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Sometimes there is no bead at all....

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FACT: Most of the "perfect" welds you see on "custom" steel frames and all welds you see on Ti frames that look super smooth are double passed.
There is an intial structural pass and there there is a secondary cosmetic pass. This is a gimmick.

The strongest, most effective way to join thin tubing is shorter slow stitches, sometimes 4 stitches on a steel toptube(like the Max one below) are necessary to make things groovy and finely regulate penetration and heat.
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We could run another whole pass ove the tubes to make them look like an I.F. but we don't, because it's not needed and doing uncessary shit doesn't make better bikes.

The bead below is tig-welded silicon bronze
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Frank and Chris used to use it to attach bosses and bridges onto Yeti frames and I see it from time to time on various steel parts. It's pretty cool stuff. It goes on at low temperature than tunsten and flows quicker. It's much easier to sand down too, almost like brass.


Added content;
Chris Herting(3D/Ex-Yeti/occasional Spooky subcontractor) lays down a bead that looks a lot different than Frank's
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I can easily tell which one of them welded an old Yeti based on start/stop marks and the way the bead is shaped.

and... Yeti bead in general looked different from both of them.

The below is Chris;
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I can shape cabon/epoxy composites OK, but was never any good with the torch.
FTW rules, fat beads and signature features:

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and Frank does a mean retro steel fork too (both recent fabrications BTW):

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Some builders wield a torch with finesse, details of my Soulcraft:

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Enjoy!!
 
Some fine looking welds there.
A lot of the painted welds people ohh and ahh over don't look that good, when you have painted a weld you will know what I mean. Not saying any of the above are bad, just some you see and people say lovely welds,
but with the paint on them you can't tell or you can see they aren't.
And non welders often rave about a weld I look at and think, er still not very neat[I am saying this from experience with my own welding;-)].
I can go months without welding, my welding improves on a job like a motor bike frame, so you[well I] can easily tell the first from the last weld.

I TIG braze when I have to.
The bloke with the lovely pics, any chance of some rods sif 8 or whatever
you use? I am using .8 mig sif 968 mig wire at the moment, not easy to feed;-)

I will take a few pics of a not so good tig weld before and after I powder coat it, I just made a couple of sets of land rover engine mounts. so a few examples of not so neat tig work isn't hard to find, and after coating it will probably look lovely.
 
I didn't think so but..

Mickey":37ve2qjc said:
FACT: Most of the "perfect" welds you see on "custom" steel frames and all welds you see on Ti frames that look super smooth are double passed.
There is an intial structural pass and there there is a secondary cosmetic pass. This is a gimmick. ]
 
IIRC the Moots ones are certainly double passes, but I'm sure there are loads of others.
Early Litespeeds look like single pass (read 'a bit rough') but then again, I know that Jim Kish, for one only does 2 tacks and a single pass and gets a brilliant result.

Kish still hot:
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Kish finished product:
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Double passes are also expensive in workshop time and gas costs.
Also, unless you get the sequencing spot on, there's going to be twice the opportunity for distortion.

All the best,
 

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