Today I ordered/won the final parts for the roadie, not content with using any old rubbish I bought some jagwire racer cables which will have powercordz gear fitted and some xpedo pedals which will shave a whopping 155g. Spreadsheet total is 7080g which is 15.6lbs, I have some trimming of fork/chain/cables to do and a wee bit of derraileur tuning but I don't think I'll hit the 14.XX. Its amazing how hard it gets down at the nitty gritty. There are a few easy changes but at the sacrifice of aesthetics/comfort. Still if I hit the 14.XX I have the bare bones idea of a 1000g wheelset which would take me into the 13lb territory