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Which is why I'm waiting for mine to arrive now,5 weeks for a "Made in Britain" frame ,and having ridden some of the more exotic frames in my "long" time oneof the best all round bikes I have ever ridden.And as this is my first "new" complete bike since 1993 I recon there must be something right about it !!brocklanders023":3cyhhcap said:Simple fact is that the new XTR and top end Fox forks have gone up loads. The 5 Pro is only a little bit more but has gone from full XT to an XT/SLX mix. I guess that's so it keeps to a certain price point. The SE is and always has been the 5 with all the best parts regardless of price.