Who Will You Vote For In The Coming General Election?

[Harryburgundy]

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I don't think he has moved anything left, except the Labour party. He's motivated some youngsters who traditionally are left anyway, and brought some fringe elements in.

I just wonder technodup, if you have ever attended a Corbyn rally? Your assumption that he has only motivated 'some youngsters and some fringe elements' is totally bogus, and is just that - an assumption.

Anyway, I guess tomorrow we'll finally put this to rest - unless there's a hung parliament and a re-election is called! Not unlikely I suspect.

 

[CTK]

Thornberry stood in for ill Abbott to take part in Woman's Hour interview...

I think 'ill Abbott' should be in quotes there. And not for the first time.

Corbyn may or may not beat May but whatever the result he has smashed the PLP.

The PLP he's going to rely on to pass votes after the election? The same PLP who have no confidence in them? The ones who won't serve in his cabinet?

Aye. Smashed it.

I actually think she might be ill or on some type of strong painkillers. Look at how she is looking at Dermot at the beginning of interview. Anyway too late she sholud have been dumped after LBC interview.

Glad you agree re PLP. He's proved the doubters wrong, he's shown them that they should have been behind him from the start. Imagine if Hilary Benn was in DA's place from the start of this campaign- would have made a difference for sure.

I think Tories will win, but May will look weaker and Corbyn stronger (unless there is more shy Tory syndrome and May gets +100 seats)

 

[mrkawasaki]

'Smashed the PLP'... another internecine Labour act then, presumably orchestrated by that political mastermind and ego Len. As is said above, just imagine if Corbyn could have taken some of the vote-winning ministers in the PLP with him, y'know, like a persuasive, inclusive,charismatic, capable political leader might. One could imagine you might just get some more non-party member/non-Momentum votes that way. Shame May caught the Labour party with its trousers down (read - 'in transition') - seriously, why would you expect your opponents to wait for you to get your house in order? This ain't the Tour de France. Maybe I'm being too harsh - the decisiveness of the Abbot decision could suggest a clarity and conviction that I hadn't thus far seen... :facepalm:

 

[mrkawasaki]

On another note - I read Johnson being described as 'unflushable'. Brilliant!

 

[KDM]

The problem Corbyn has and I refer to the difference in the polls. He has mobilised through momentum, the unions and the young boosted membership, the internet.

He has learnt the younger ones are able to contact each other and get the message out better than most labour party groups, the downside is that election after election after election, the percentage of the 18-24's who actually go and vote is often less than a third.

Based on elections just since 2014 we see two clear patterns, those who shout the loudest on the internet and those who turn up at the booths. It will be interesting this time to see if that historical loud shouters versus dedicated voters remains the same or turns out different

 

[CTK]

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I think he tried MrK. Do you remember after the 1st leadership election Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall and some others saying they wouldn't be part of his team? You know just after the resounding success of his campaign when the membership were fully behind him. They chucked their toys out of the pram! He was talking about inclusiveness they were against him from the beginning.

Fair enough they thought he was unelectable but frankly they had nobody better, they should have rolled up their sleeves and got on with it (a la Burnham)

Instead they mounted a leadership challenge and put forward their best people (NOT) it was a cowardly move. And even after the second election they still gave him no support- members from his own side heckled him FFS! You can blame Corbyn for all Labour's problems if you want but you are ignoring the facts.

Labour is in a better place now than when he took over that is for sure.

(And for clarity when I say smashed I mean beat by a margin not crushed to oblivion!)

 

[Retro Spud]

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Anyway, I guess tomorrow we'll finally put this to rest - unless there's a hung parliament and a re-election is called! Not unlikely I suspect.

I'm almost too scared to contemplate tomorrow, the thought of Corbyn with the help of the SNP plus the dross and also rans banding together to form a coalition fills me with dread.

I have to concede I never saw Brexit happening, nor Leicester winning the prem, let alone Trump getting in the White-House, all of which I'd have put good money on "Not Happening" ..... needless to say its left me fearing the worst.


time will tell....

 

[CTK]

Coalition of Chaos! You'll be voting for Strong and Stable TM then! ;-)

Anyone seen the DM/Express/Telegraph front pages today? Imploring people to vote TM because Corbyn is such a baddie! (Nothing to do with billionaire owners wanting tax cuts or the promise from TM to cancel part 2 of the Leveson enquiry, nope no sir thats not the reason)

 

[Harryburgundy]

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I think he tried MrK. Do you remember after the 1st leadership election Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall and some others saying they wouldn't be part of his team? You know just after the resounding success of his campaign when the membership were fully behind him. They chucked their toys out of the pram! He was talking about inclusiveness they were against him from the beginning.

Fair enough they thought he was unelectable but frankly they had nobody better, they should have rolled up their sleeves and got on with it (a la Burnham)

Instead they mounted a leadership challenge and put forward their best people (NOT) it was a cowardly move. And even after the second election they still gave him no support- members from his own side heckled him FFS! You can blame Corbyn for all Labour's problems if you want but you are ignoring the facts.

Labour is in a better place now than when he took over that is for sure.

(And for clarity when I say smashed I mean beat by a margin not crushed to oblivion!)

Perfectly put.

 

[Harryburgundy]

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Anyway, I guess tomorrow we'll finally put this to rest - unless there's a hung parliament and a re-election is called! Not unlikely I suspect.

I'm almost too scared to contemplate tomorrow, the thought of Corbyn with the help of the SNP plus the dross and also rans banding together to form a coalition fills me with dread.

I have to concede I never saw Brexit happening, nor Leicester winning the prem, let alone Trump getting in the White-House, all of which I'd have put good money on "Not Happening" ..... needless to say its left me fearing the worst.


time will tell....

Really, that fills you with dread? Not
5 more years of pointless and ineffective austerity
Uncapped social care contribution - albeit TM has u-turned to say she will cap it but no figure is forthcoming - with the prospect of modest families losing their homes after years of tax contributions...how do you reconcile that? It's a con.
Reduction in Corporation Tax to the lowest in Europe, at who's expense?
Privatisation of the NHS
No guarantees that NI contributions will not rise - which is just another way of increasing income tax under another name
More 'free' and grammar schools
No cuts in university tuition fees
No deal is better than a bad deal type negotiations with the EU
Scrapping the pensions triple lock
Change planning laws to make fracking easier
Lip service to air pollution targets - not even on the agenda
I could go on.

This fills me with dread