Who Will You Vote For In The Coming General Election?

[Bats]

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The 'growing economy' is the central fetish of capitalism, so you can be sure that as long as that system lasts, nobody will ever admit that the 'economy' has shrunk. The 'economy' will still be 'growing' when your grandchildren are working twenty hour days at the nationwide landfill site your 'country' has become, in order to pay off a three-generation mortgage on a used bin-liner.

Oh, don't worry, the only place anyone can find growth in the UK is by trying to grow profits by sacking as many people off for automation as possible. This profit boost lasts about as long as they can hold off pissing it away in a price war. So you might get a good ten or twenty years of living in a jobless dystopia before they build a big wall around the assigned paupers districts and open third world style sweatshops in there.

You will get torn apart by hunting dogs for trying to leave, and the guardian will run opinion pieces about how the camp guards need to be equal opportunity employers.

 

[Bats]

ey up, someone's been spotting tory plants in question time again

I know they felt like counteracting the last QT audience because it was "too" pro corbyn, but surely if the idea is to make it look like the young poor don't want socialists, they could have done better than grabbing Sir Harold Tweed-Jacketly III from Cambridge young Tory association?

 

[videojetman]

thank goodness for the foe choice.

 

[KDM]

Ignoring The others and concentrating on Jeremy for a moment

He has throughout his educational and political life;

Been more likely to be in the company of terrorist organisations than British military
Been more likely to be pro Palestinian than pro Israeli
More likely to be seen with a red flag and a golden star behind him than a Union Jack
More likely to want the monarchy removed than recognise it is a part of Great Britain
More likely to ban all protests outside the Russian embassy whilst in the "stop the war coalition"
More likely to vote than any other mp, against his own party
More likely to block grammar schools choice despite both he and his son having been educated by them
More likely to have the least amount of his own party mp's supporting him

And the list could go on, he has every right to be anti authoritarian, anti his own party, anti military, anti monarchy, anti nuclear, anti Israel, etc etc

But given he has largely spent most of his 68 years hating the system, this country and all it entails, Why does he now think everything is okay enough that he should be in charge of the very same country he has often hated? I just don't buy the pr spin that this man of principle, has suddenly changed.

 

[ultrazenith]

Ignoring The others and concentrating on Jeremy for a moment

He has throughout his educational and political life;

Been more likely to be in the company of terrorist organisations than British military
Been more likely to be pro Palestinian than pro Israeli
More likely to be seen with a red flag and a golden star behind him than a Union Jack
More likely to want the monarchy removed than recognise it is a part of Great Britain
More likely to ban all protests outside the Russian embassy whilst in the "stop the war coalition"
More likely to vote than any other mp, against his own party
More likely to block grammar schools choice despite both he and his son having been educated by them
More likely to have the least amount of his own party mp's supporting him

And the list could go on, he has every right to be anti authoritarian, anti his own party, anti military, anti monarchy, anti nuclear, anti Israel, etc etc

But given he has largely spent most of his 68 years hating the system, this country and all it entails, Why does he now think everything is okay enough that he should be in charge of the very same country he has often hated? I just don't buy the pr spin that this man of principle, has suddenly changed.

What makes you believe he hates the country?

 

[highlandsflyer]

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Well, he lives in the city for a start!

 

[technodup]

What makes you believe he hates the country?

Because whatever the issue is he's usually found talking up the other side.

From Ireland to Scotland, the Falklands, Gibraltar, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and probably many more he disagrees with the official UK position. Not to mention his antipathy to many of the things we hold dear, including but not limited to the armed forces, the monarchy, national anthem and the wearing of poppies.

That's not to say he's wrong every time btw, even a stopped clock and all that, just that it seems to be his default.

He's a dangerous old man.

 

[xerxes]

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Been more likely to be in the company of terrorist organisations than British military - You can't solve terrorism purely with military force, that has been proven many times, as much as you disagree with their methods, you have to negotiate and to do that you need to be in their company.

Been more likely to be pro Palestinian than pro Israeli - There aren't really any "good guys" in that conflict and some of the Israeli governments actions could easily be classed as acts of terror and I don't see being pro Palestinian as necessarily any worse than being pro Israeli.

More likely to be seen with a red flag and a golden star behind him than a Union Jack - There is a huge difference between democratic socialism and communism, such a tired and childish comparison.

More likely to want the monarchy removed than recognise it is a part of Great Britain - An unelected group of aristocrats with unfettered access to government and although constitutional, there's no doubt they have more influence than the man in the street, it's hardly progressive. There's no doubt the current monarchy are hard working and do a lot to promote Britain's interests and while they continue to do so, they will likely remain. However, as they are unelected and the position is hereditary, chances are that somewhere down the line we'll end up with an idiot on the throne that causes some sort of scandal and they'll be shoved out of the door, never to return.

More likely to ban all protests outside the Russian embassy whilst in the "stop the war coalition"

More likely to vote than any other mp, against his own party - It shows he has principals and he sticks to them, nothing wrong with that. Party politics is an odd thing, it's not really how it's supposed to work. The idea of local MPs is that you vote for the one that most closely represents your views and will therefor represent you in parliament, that's all a bit of a waste of time if they then just tow the party line when it doesn't represent their, and possibly, your view.

More likely to block grammar schools choice despite both he and his son having been educated by them - He also has to live in and make the best of the system as it currently exists. The standards of all schools should be raised such that fighting to get your kids into a "good one" shouldn't be necessary.

More likely to have the least amount of his own party mp's supporting him - That doesn't surprise me, he a fair bit further left than some of the "Tory Light" Blairites that remain.

 

[Bats]

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There aren't really any "good guys" in that conflict and some of the Israeli governments actions could easily be classed as acts of terror and I don't see being pro Palestinian as necessarily any worse than being pro Israeli.

The good guys are the Palestinians. If white Americans declared themselves "the real anglo-saxons" and preceded to colonise and ethnically cleanse England I imagine you'd be rather displeased. So I don't see why central and eastern Europeans get to do it in the middle east.

Disturbing, seeing those who get the shit end of apartheid be called "no worse" than those responsible.

 

[highlandsflyer]

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Xerxes nails it.

Whatever happens, Corbyn has demonstrated his passion and vision. Is he as sure footed as the likes of Blair? No way, but does anyone miss all that polish?

He is the punk of politics, demonstrating anyone can have a go at it and something good can come out of it.