Who Will You Vote For In The Coming General Election?

[M-Power]

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Awwww c'mon HF just having a little fun

It must be a right hoot round M-Power towers! BANTS! :roll:

Interesting times. It seems there's a realisation that being apathetic about this election, might be somewhat detrimental to the countries future. However, I say "seems" because let's not beat around the bush, not one of us really know how big a turn-out we'll see, let alone what the outcome of the vote is.

It's apparent, that the Tories have over-estimated how apathetic or 'comfortable' the 'great British public' are right now. When someone, a body or group, start attacking others that's usually because they have something to hide or are diverting away from themselves. We can see what those reasons are: a very weak, poorly compiled and articulated manifesto, riddled with holes and un-balanced policies.

As a liberal, I'm certainly not promoting or very happy with theirs by the way. I have some serious reservations over their vision and their leader. And Labours, whilst bold, fairly balanced and reflective of a left wing manifesto (about time - that's what they're meant to be), has some aspects that don't match my values.

I am trying to be balanced (post Brexit and Trump) - like a good liberal should - when I look at what's going on from my limited view. All I want is for a more balanced (have I said that enough?) view of the country and our population. What the Tories have done, what they continue to do and what they would like to do, absolutely does not reflect any sort of balance whatsoever. Their incessant mantra of 'strong and stable' and 'best negotiators' with the EU is one dimensional at best, totally flawed and wrong in reality.

I'm expecting them to win by the way. What I really hope for (other than them losing) is for the alternative views to have a greater share, to build some positive momentum that this - our future - really matters and there are some good solutions to explore.

Inspired Al, inspired. :roll: I see you are promoting 'New Seeds' is that for the new Lib Dems drugs policy, to turn the UK into the Stoner Central of Europe ?. What a winning manifesto policy.

 

[technodup]

Tim Farron's working hard tonight to reduce his 9 seats.

Worst, Interview. Ever.

What an absolute weapon. Brillo should have nutted the wee fanny.

 

[highlandsflyer]

i guess you will change your plan and vote T. Techno?

 

[legrandefromage]

The Conservatives are like used car salesmen, Labour are like worn out social workers - both equally difficult to work for.

The Liberal Democrats seem more like Sunday School teachers.

My vote is wavering, I simply dont know any more.

 

[Harryburgundy]

The Conservatives are like used car salesmen, Labour are like worn out social workers - both equally difficult to work for.

The Liberal Democrats seem more like Sunday School teachers.

My vote is wavering, I simply dont know any more.

Well, it's a two horse race and your choice is pro an egalitarian society - or not.

 

[M-Power]

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Plenty of people on here have worked hard to buy their house with a garden ( lots of pretty pics of bikes in them), maybe built an extension, ornamental pond etc Maybe because you are DIY savvy you did a lot of the work yourself but you can 100% guarantee you will be paying A LOT more tax under Labour, when they send their army of new highly paid public sector home raters around.

If you and your family worked hard and bought a house cheap 30/40/50 yrs ago in the South East and that area has coincidentally become gentrified, you are now elderly, set in your ways, maybe not in the best of health, on a fixed pension of £20-25kpa and you are suddenly slapped with a £20-60K/pa WealthTax, forcing you to sell quickly, at a really bad price, often to a foreign Non Dom Investor ( rubbing his hands) who will evade the tax anyway, denying the Treasury, how would you feel ? I appreciate most class war haters on here will be delighted but these things will happen to many, mostly the elderly under Labour.

The ONLY Labour policy I agree with is finding a way to wipe out College Student Debt. We never had this and its crippling for them, despite the rules on payback being dependant on salary thresholds etc. Id charge wealthly foreign students a lot more to subsidise ours.

 

[al-onestare]

Policies.

Policies first, personalities second.

That's all there is to it.

 

[xerxes]

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Plenty of people on here have worked hard to buy their house with a garden ( lots of pretty pics of bikes in them), maybe built an extension, ornamental pond etc Maybe because you are DIY savvy you did a lot of the work yourself but you can 100% guarantee you will be paying A LOT more tax under Labour, when they send their army of new highly paid public sector home raters around.

I looked into the "Garden Tax"; turns out that this is right wing press scare mongering: http://evolvepolitics.com/right-wing-pr ... res-truth/

It looks as though most single home owners with a relatively small plot of land would pay the same or less than they currently do with council tax. What it will do is tax land speculators that purchase land where they think it is likely that the area will improve and the land value increase significantly; they will now have to pay some tax on that, rather than just sitting on it and waiting, sometimes preventing this land from being used for something useful.

In addition, by holding on to land and not doing anything with it, it creates a shortage which increases it's value, great for those with a lot of empty land, but it makes any building projects, whether for homes, businesses or public facilities, more expensive and less viable which stunts growth and development.

Whilst capitalism may be the best system we have, it needs to have regulation and checks in place to prevent it reaching its logical conclusion and concentrating all the wealth into the hands of a very few. Wealth begets wealth and once you have a great deal of it, you can start to control the markets to your own benefit and usually to the detriment of everyone else. You can buy land or other commodities, wheat, coffee, oil, diamonds, gold, whatever, and sit on it, creating an artificial shortage and thus increasing its value before selling it, at a time that suits you and regardless of how needy people were while you were hoarding it, in order to make maximum profit, which is incidentally the exact opposite of a "free market economy" that the right with parties so often espouse.

A couple of interesting things I watched and listened to recently:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07mclw8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZsGDIfeqUM

 

[M-Power]

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^^ Agree with your last paragraph, Bilderberg group approach to controlling the whole planet for their members own gain. Rothschild family alone worth $2Trillion. It would need global cooperation on a scale never seen before to redistribute all that locked in wealth of the super rich. Thats never going to happen with Oligarchs and various other Corporations having so much lobbying power with Governments. Most people sitting on a nice house predominantly in the south east are not super rich. They worked bl00dy hard for it and paid their taxes and its all they have.

When have Labour ever reduced taxes ? They are always looking for new things to tax, then they pi$$ it all up against the wall and bankrupt the country in the process. Remember that letter they left ? Keep kidding yourself they wont come snooping around your place Xerxes because it might take 3/4yrs but eventually they will when they have wasted it on left leaning, Labour party donating Consultancies and Corporates.. Sure Corbyn helped by SNP and Sin Fein will negotiate to allow Merkel and Macron to tell us all how to live if he takes over Brexit negs. Unless you are on full Benefits, you have to be delusional to think you will be better off under Labour. The reality is that most of their supporters, understandably, live in hope but will actually be worse off when the economy gets destroyed by Corbyn and Co.

Vive la Revolution !

 

[Bats]

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When have Labour ever reduced taxes ? They are always looking for new things to tax, then they pi$$ it all up against the wall and bankrupt the country in the process. Remember that letter they left ?

Let's have a look at the debt-o-meter

What I would really like to know is how conservatives are supposed to be better with money than labour? They've cut funding for everything to levels where most council services are now skeleton crews - but somehow all this "saved" money vanishes up the chimney and the government needs yet more loans.

What are they spending it on? It's clearly not on bins being emptied, streetlights getting fixed, libraries, etc because that's all been cut. Where is it going? If they're spending less, why do they need so many loans?