When all the car have died.....

[Wold Ranger]

Oil?

Oil? Growing it is a farce, 5 percent of our annual consumption World wide would take one third of every single square inch of Agricultural land, that's right just 5 percent. So 15 percent is the most we could grow, but then we would all be dead in a few months as there would be no food left! A lot of poorer Nations are already struggling to afford these high prices, we are currently only running +/- 2% and that has effectively more than doubled the wheat price. Only answer is nuclear power, or just stop using so much energy. Commuting and travel is one of the biggest problem in the West. Time was you lived next to where you worked. Not miles away.
Oil shortages are only part of the story, mass starvation will come sooner, as the population grows and the climate becomes more unstable we are facing real food shortages WorldWide, caused by You guessed it high Carbon emissions from excess burn of fossil fuels! Slippery slope or what?. But then if everyone pegs it, we won't need the fuel and balance will be restored. Nature will always win in the end.

 

[Davey]

It was only in the late 70's that was the last time the doom mongers said we had run out of oil and guess what we found more!

Yes this world needs to cut down its consumption of resources but there are more important things to focus on than fuel for vehicles.. Look at all the plastic based electrical products we can buy for peanuts these days which have created a throw away world, its takes ALOT of oil to produce these products albeit for the materials AND the power to manufacture them.. Things are becoming cheaper and less reliable so more things get thrown away meing more things get bought.. Vehiculer transport is important for this country, having a 10 quid DVD player and a computer that is the latest and greatest is not.

Everyone blames everything on cars, cars are not the main contributor of CO2 by a very very very very very long shot! They are just a more obvious consumer because you see the crude oil based products enter it directly..

Get a grip people!

Look at all the IDOTS thats go out and buy Toyota Prius and other hybrid cars, the car its self is a MASSIVE impact to resource consumption and the area that they mine the minerals for the batteries in the states is desolate for hundreds of miles, then they ship these horrible toxins to Japan in, yes thats right heavy oil powered container ships!

People who buy Hybrid cars are SUCKERS! and the governments all support this tosh, why? because these car manufacturers are big business and they can spoon feed a government what ever tosh they want and they'll lap it up!

If you really want to do you part for the world, buy a second hand car with a decent drag co-efficient and an engine that suits the size of the vehicle.. Because driving a car with a piddly engine is only 'environmental' when you are pootling around town because out on the motorways its getting thrashed! And thats were should should be driving the car, when you need to go a long distance, if you need a car to go 5 minutes to the shops or you work 2 miles away, WALK! or get a bike..

 

[shovelon]

It was only in the late 70's that was the last time the doom mongers said we had run out of oil and guess what we found more!

Yes this world needs to cut down its consumption of resources but there are more important things to focus on than fuel for vehicles.. Look at all the plastic based electrical products we can buy for peanuts these days which have created a throw away world, its takes ALOT of oil to produce these products albeit for the materials AND the power to manufacture them.. Things are becoming cheaper and less reliable so more things get thrown away meing more things get bought.. Vehiculer transport is important for this country, having a 10 quid DVD player and a computer that is the latest and greatest is not.

Everyone blames everything on cars, cars are not the main contributor of CO2 by a very very very very very long shot! They are just a more obvious consumer because you see the crude oil based products enter it directly..

Get a grip people!

Look at all the IDOTS thats go out and buy Toyota Prius and other hybrid cars, the car its self is a MASSIVE impact to resource consumption and the area that they mine the minerals for the batteries in the states is desolate for hundreds of miles, then they ship these horrible toxins to Japan in, yes thats right heavy oil powered container ships!

People who buy Hybrid cars are SUCKERS! and the governments all support this tosh, why? because these car manufacturers are big business and they can spoon feed a government what ever tosh they want and they'll lap it up!

If you really want to do you part for the world, buy a second hand car with a decent drag co-efficient and an engine that suits the size of the vehicle.. Because driving a car with a piddly engine is only 'environmental' when you are pootling around town because out on the motorways its getting thrashed! And thats were should should be driving the car, when you need to go a long distance, if you need a car to go 5 minutes to the shops or you work 2 miles away, WALK! or get a bike..

I am with you!

Riddle me this. If for every molecule of Co2 we discharge into the air, there are 2 atoms of oxygen to the single atom of carbon, why are we not talking about an oxygen shortage? With all these wildfires in California burning me to a crisp, I just don't don't buy the greenhouse effect. Foliage in urban areas are proliferating like mad.

And futher more, yes the globe is on a warming cycle, and the entire globe is thermally expanding, and the earth's core is excreting petrocarbons into the crust. There is no oil shortage, and there never will be. So why cannot mankind pump it out now while it is ecomonical to do so. Future generations will thank us for the lovely carbon gift.

And did anyone ever consider the amount of petrocarbons that end up in the world's landfills. This American is more than carbon neutral.

B.S on Hybrids. The dirty little joke is that Hybrids take alot more energy to produce than standard combustion engined vehicles, and is reflected in the inflated price tag. The service life of a hybrid is only 10 years because the battery replacement does not justify the diminished value of the car. The battery disposal is very costly, the disposal fees of the hybrid itself is very energy consuming. In general, the Hybrid cost more to produce and dispose of in terms of energy consumption. The Rohs implications of disposing of consumer electronics including the Hybrid are monumental(think$$$). The energy wasted is handling alone is sad.

Anhueser Busch is a world leader is energy conservation. It costs them less to brew a gallon of suds, than it takes a dairy farmer to produce a gallon of milk. Why? Government intervention, regulation, subsidy of the agriculture bussiness, that's why.

Wow! This feels good!

 

[shovelon]

Here, drive this.

http://www.glumbert.com/media/pedalcar

 

[Davey]

I am with you!

Riddle me this. If for every molecule of Co2 we discharge into the air, there are 2 atoms of oxygen to the single atom of carbon, why are we not talking about an oxygen shortage? With all these wildfires in California burning me to a crisp, I just don't don't buy the greenhouse effect. Foliage in urban areas are proliferating like mad.

And futher more, yes the globe is on a warming cycle, and the entire globe is thermally expanding, and the earth's core is excreting petrocarbons into the crust. There is no oil shortage, and there never will be. So why cannot mankind pump it out now while it is ecomonical to do so. Future generations will thank us for the lovely carbon gift.

And did anyone ever consider the amount of petrocarbons that end up in the world's landfills. This American is more than carbon neutral.

B.S on Hybrids. The dirty little joke is that Hybrids take alot more energy to produce than standard combustion engined vehicles, and is reflected in the inflated price tag. The service life of a hybrid is only 10 years because the battery replacement does not justify the diminished value of the car. The battery disposal is very costly, the disposal fees of the hybrid itself is very energy consuming. In general, the Hybrid cost more to produce and dispose of in terms of energy consumption. The Rohs implications of disposing of consumer electronics including the Hybrid are monumental(think$$$). The energy wasted is handling alone is sad.

Anhueser Busch is a world leader is energy conservation. It costs them less to brew a gallon of suds, than it takes a dairy farmer to produce a gallon of milk. Why? Government intervention, regulation, subsidy of the agriculture bussiness, that's why.

Wow! This feels good!

Amen to that! P.S. I'm not a christian im just coining a phrase

 

[typhoon]

These go dark at the first sign of danger! The inescapable FACT is , soon, there will be no ROOM to drive these vehicles... :roll: It is SO difficult to get people SOOO used to driving, to realise the combustion engine has less of a lifespan than a 1980's mountain bike! Please , dont try and convince yourself otherwise....take a breather....look at your bikes....and then think long and hard ....cars will not be around much longer! People and countries are KILLING over oil!!!...dont try and justify it...learn to live without it...it will not happen overnight, but the future generations will HAVE to adapt...and nuclear power IS the only answer to our continuing energy needs..if everyone wants their lifestyle to at least stay at this level- tho mind you...that is not taking into account the exponential population growth that most governmaents dont seem to aknowledge regarding energy requirements. Use less....cycle more...if not, stay quiet!! :?

 

[Davey]

People have said that for decades.. hell back in the 1800's apparently if a vehicle went faster than 30mph you'ed die... times change

Anyway my theory is society will be forced to return to the old ideals, people live and work in the same areas.

 

[Wold Ranger]

Fuel

It's not the food we feed our engines with that'll run out, but the food we put in our bellys. This time last year, feed wheat was £70/£80/tonne DD today it's £180 DD and looking to go £200 plus this season with £400 predicted. Rape seed is £275, 2 years back £130. Bread is already well over £1 a loaf, this can go to five times that in the next few years. We just will not be able to afford liquid road fuels, as food will become so expensive. We have had cheap food for 20 years plus now, this is changing big time! UK Farmers are struggling to grow crops economically due to massive increases in their costs, Crude and Fertiliser. have roughly quadrupled in the past three years, the only reason food prices have not gone further is the presence of cheap imports from the other side of the Planet, that exploits peasant(no offence, just cheap labour @ £1/day) farmers locked into poverty by the multinationals. This is ending as these countries develop their own wealth from industry.
Mind you looking at the state of some of the overweight folks down the UK's high streets, maybe the £10 bread loaf and £20 portion o fish n chips looks like a good idea.

 

[shovelon]

Another day, another twist on the energy thing.

A little background. I have 2 brothers-in-laws. One is an airlines pilot ot Southwest Airlines, the other is a Hollywood stuntman. Both are diametrically opposed in their politics and habits.

The stuntman drives only imported cars, imported goods, flys the world over, and buys those carbon credits from Al Gore( the Hollywood politic-hero). The Pilot drives only big domestic(american) cars, buys domestic food and goods whenever possible, yet hates to fly and justifies the utter hippocracy of flying.

The Pilot's beliefs are pretty accurate. The amount of jet fuel to get a plane off the ground is mind boggling. However, up in the air it is amazingly fuel effiecient. The problem, is that most flights are short hops, and the whole theory of flying being energy efficient is a hoax. Furthermore the infrastructure to service the world's fleet on airliners is massive. The fuel that every flight crew, maintainance, baggage, counter, and so on, burns in thier vehicles blows the lid off conservation all together and is just plain evil.

The stuntman's belief's are that he can rescue the fllight situation by purchasing Al Gore's carbon credits. Those carbon credits fund the planting of trees by conservation groups.

Nonsense I say. The fuel/energy wasted in growing seedlings, sending crews out in worktrucks to plant the trees, revisiting the trees to water and weed them, costs much more in energy, than they will ever recoupe. And less than half the trees that are planted survive the first year.

Rant for today.

Thanks,
Terry (living in the outskirts of Hollywierd)

 

[shovelon]

Re: Fuel

It's not the food we feed our engines with that'll run out, but the food we put in our bellys. This time last year, feed wheat was £70/£80/tonne DD today it's £180 DD and looking to go £200 plus this season with £400 predicted. Rape seed is £275, 2 years back £130. Bread is already well over £1 a loaf, this can go to five times that in the next few years. We just will not be able to afford liquid road fuels, as food will become so expensive. We have had cheap food for 20 years plus now, this is changing big time! UK Farmers are struggling to grow crops economically due to massive increases in their costs, Crude and Fertiliser. have roughly quadrupled in the past three years, the only reason food prices have not gone further is the presence of cheap imports from the other side of the Planet, that exploits peasant(no offence, just cheap labour @ £1/day) farmers locked into poverty by the multinationals. This is ending as these countries develop their own wealth from industry.
Mind you looking at the state of some of the overweight folks down the UK's high streets, maybe the £10 bread loaf and £20 portion o fish n chips looks like a good idea.

That's the same happening over here in the States. Our good ole' boys in government say there is low inflation, but the price of everyday necessities are skyrocketing. I have seen the price of food rise very high lately. The price of fuel is getting even pricier thus driving up the cost of raising crops which are pretty efficient in their energy consumption, but still must pass these costs to the consumer.

There is a big drive here to stop eating so much beef. Something along the lines of not eating beef for one day takes so much methane out of the greenhouse equation. That could also free up farm produce for other uses(ethanol ).

I saw some blurb about limits on UK cod fish limits. Seems the cod are back and you folks can't net without returning tons of dead cod back to the water without incurring fines from the authorities? Is that true?