Wheels rebuilt on Campagnolo Electron/ Shamal Hubs

[Silk_RideR]

Hello!
This is probably a long shot but… has anyone here ever built up a set of wheels using the Electron/ Shamal hubs?

I have a set of Electron clinchers in very good condition, the ones I used on the Serotta Atlanta in a BOTM challenge. But I would like to put modern rims on the hubs, to go with at least 25mm tires, to make them more versatile but still have the classy Campagnolo look from the '90s. According to the spare parts catalogue, the spokes look like straight-pull spokes but using the retention parts in place.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[gfk_velo]

The rims are c13 so within the ETRTO recommended limits to mount a 25c tyre - OK, it will "lightbulb" a bit (23c is a better match) but it's widely - forgive the pun - done.

28c is not recommended.

Building different rims to the hubs is do-able but it's not as straightforward as it first appears because the spoke sockets assume a narrow range of angles at which the spokes will enter the hub - and the G3 pattern (which can be "faux - laced" on a conventionally drilled rim, using, say, a 36H in place of a 21H G3 rim) also requires that the rim be "not round" before building and tensioning - the G3 rims before build are slightly polygonal and are pulled into round by the tensions on the spoke groups themselves.

 

[paso907]

Hello!
This is probably a long shot but… has anyone here ever built up a set of wheels using the Electron/ Shamal hubs?

I have a set of Electron clinchers in very good condition, the ones I used on the Serotta Atlanta in a BOTM challenge. But I would like to put modern rims on the hubs, to go with at least 25mm tires, to make them more versatile but still have the classy Campagnolo look from the '90s. According to the spare parts catalogue, the spokes look like straight-pull spokes but using the retention parts in place.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

i hade a front wheel where is was made tha work you want to do to turn the set to tubolar to clicker and it works , if u make the swictch i'm interested to buy the rims

 

[wynne]

What hole count are the rims?
I have rebuilt a lot of old wheels with new rims and vice versa. Do you know the ERD of the rims? It may be possible with these.

 

[Silk_RideR]

The rims are c13 so within the ETRTO recommended limits to mount a 25c tyre - OK, it will "lightbulb" a bit (23c is a better match) but it's widely - forgive the pun - done.

28c is not recommended.

Building different rims to the hubs is do-able but it's not as straightforward as it first appears because the spoke sockets assume a narrow range of angles at which the spokes will enter the hub - and the G3 pattern (which can be "faux - laced" on a conventionally drilled rim, using, say, a 36H in place of a 21H G3 rim) also requires that the rim be "not round" before building and tensioning - the G3 rims before build are slightly polygonal and are pulled into round by the tensions on the spoke groups themselves.

I’ve already checked with my wheel builder, he was also very sceptical at first, but I showed him the exploded diagram and he’s sure he’ll do it.
The Electron rims are not G3 laced pattern (thank goodness)! So 24 spokes spread evenly is no problem. The rims will be H Son Plus Archetype, the perfect combination of modern tire size and good looks.

 

[Silk_RideR]

i hade a front wheel where is was made tha work you want to do to turn the set to tubolar to clicker and it works , if u make the swictch i'm interested to buy the rims

They are the clincher version. If everything works well and you’re interested in buying them, I’ll keep you updated.

 

[Silk_RideR]

What hole count are the rims?
I have rebuilt a lot of old wheels with new rims and vice versa. Do you know the ERD of the rims? It may be possible with these.

24 holes, front and rear. ERD of the new rims? I have to check the online information for the future rims.

 

[paso907]

What hole count are the rims?
I have rebuilt a lot of old wheels with new rims and vice versa. Do you know the ERD of the rims? It may be possible with these.

Now is with 28 i dont know ert sorry

 

[gfk_velo]

I’ve already checked with my wheel builder, he was also very sceptical at first, but I showed him the exploded diagram and he’s sure he’ll do it.
The Electron rims are not G3 laced pattern (thank goodness)! So 24 spokes spread evenly is no problem. The rims will be H Son Plus Archetype, the perfect combination of modern tire size and good looks.

Yes, I'd forgotten that these versions of the hub predate G3. Sorry!
Shamal had been built both ways. Early ones were not G3.
Proton, Nucleon and (original) Hyperon where not G3.
Current Hyperons (a completely different kettle of fish) are.

So ... you should be fine on any 24h rim of approximately the same depth, so long as the same lacing pattern is followed.
A deeper rim will mess with the angles that the spokes come into the hub. If it's significantly deeper, that might cause an issue.
There's not a lot of angular allowance in the sockets on the hub.

 

[paso907]

They are the clincher version. If everything works well and you’re interested in buying them, I’ll keep you updated.

I can thonk to give you those rims if u want , where are u basad?