What state is retro biking in at the moment?

[Rampage]

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"Don’t tell designers how to do their own job…"

You have to spell it out for them or they go off and do their own thing and expect you to love it!

 

[dyna-ti]

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"Don’t tell designers how to do their own job…"

You have to spell it out for them or they go off and do their own thing and expect you to love it!

I'd agree with that. You need to poke them with a stick and force them to wear horse blinkers or they'll be off on a tangent

 

[PurpleFrog]

Just come off a designer's forum where one of my designer friends had recommended a video that sums up the mis-match of expectations in the client/designer business relationship – "Don’t tell designers how to do their own job…".

To which the only answer is "**** off and look for another job, asshole." Because no one ever does tell designers how to their job - but the whiney ones resent it when they are told by people paying them and who know their market that their "vision" won't sell or has a crazy production cost.

 

[Silvergoat]

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Thanks guys!

Out in the real world, as a jobbing designer, I wouldn't get very far by not listening to the client. The job is to listen to and understand the client's requirements then give them what they want, after all, they are paying you to do that pretty much. The trick is doing it with added skill, flair and good grace.

The last thing you want be doing is giving them "Chef's Vision", as I call it. This comes from an unfortunate but entertaining (for all the wrong reasons) work's trip to one of Terence Conran's eateries. When asked why we could not be served with some gravy and sauces, the dear waiter actually said: It's not part of Chef's vision".

Whenever I encounter "Chef's Vision" now, I seem to transform into Father Jack, as Mrs Groovy will testify. And I'm afraid I don't really fit in with other designers as they generally seem to be too earnest, have no sense of humour and don't like to share their knowledge – I really can't be doing with that sort of nonsense and the "Chef's Vision" thing.

But there's one thing worse than designers and "Chef's Vision" and that's architects. My brother's one. They're all coots!

 

[elPedro666]

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But there's one thing worse than designers and "Chef's Vision" and that's architects. My brother's one. They're all coots!

It's more difficult to get a redesign once the walls have been moved too...

 

[Silvergoat]

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But there's one thing worse than designers and "Chef's Vision" and that's architects. My brother's one. They're all coots!

It's more difficult to get a redesign once the walls have been moved too...

Indeed. That Le Corbusier – bleedin' nightmare!

 

[PurpleFrog]

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Thanks guys!

Out in the real world, as a jobbing designer, I wouldn't get very far by not listening to the client. The job is to listen to and understand the client's requirements then give them what they want, after all, they are paying you to do that pretty much. The trick is doing it with added skill, flair and good grace.

There is an enormous amount a good designer can do; the one's who are willing to focus on the market and the problem are worth their weight in expensive little matt black things.

The last thing you want be doing is giving them "Chef's Vision", as I call it. This comes from an unfortunate but entertaining (for all the wrong reasons) work's trip to one of Terence Conran's eateries. When asked why we could not be served with some gravy and sauces, the dear waiter actually said: It's not part of Chef's vision".

To which the answer is "It's not part of my vision that you'll get paid for this." (You then leave rather than stay for the capitulation, because I know chef's and they'll spit in the sauces.)

But there's one thing worse than designers and "Chef's Vision" and that's architects. My brother's one. They're all coots!

The damage done by architects over the years is immeasurable.

 

[dyna-ti]

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But there's one thing worse than designers and "Chef's Vision" and that's architects. My brother's one. They're all coots!

It's more difficult to get a redesign once the walls have been moved too...

Indeed. That Le Corbusier – bleedin' nightmare!

Frank Lloyd Write -WORSE :shock: Im sitting at my repro 'Meyer's' writing desk,made by my own fair hand in lovely Scottish Cherrywood.
It's too small to sit under if over 6' and im 6'3" and even if i could get my legs under it comfortably the bugger put the cross brace right in the middle instead of towards the back

Think ill redesign it and do another in Rock Maple. Do it 'right' this time ..............
Anyone with short legs and long arms need a nice desk ?

 

[Silvergoat]

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"Form follows function" is one of those classic design mantras/principles, but real world practicalities need to be accounted for – using and living with something on a daily basis. Sometimes this gets forgotten in the 'vision'.

 

[legrandefromage]

What state is retro biking in at the moment?

Better - I've just bought a frame...