Take a look at cjax's bike. Put a ruler along the line of the top tube and note where it crosses the rear wheel - about half way between hub and rim - that's a 16.rakas17":1r06velq said:sounds interesting, got any pics of the lava dome? i just spoke to the guy and he still thinks its a 16. he's gonna send me a pic of a ruler next to the seat tube when he gets home from work.