What is your Holy Grail among French frame builders?

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@georges1 - "pilorget sandvik titanium custom made road bike of the same level of quality and finish than a Passoni "

Not wanting to start a bun fight, but I doubt that, and it's not totally clear. Not seeing any pictures nor having a timeline I need to comment. Sandvik (if we are talking the same) from my knowledge were not at all in the same playing field like Passoni, business wise, technically and aesthetically.

First up, one thing to get clear. Sandvik stopped producing bikes in 1997. It went over to TST after, essentially a rationalisation of core business.

I could well imagine a Dean or a Mongoose road bike (or even a few one off Kona) custom road bikes, but no. Not a French bike at Sandvik unless something very very extraordinary with a pay check to follow. I am open to stand corrected but without evidence I'm sorry this does not fly with me at all. Even Colnago didn't have the skills and that went to the Russian federation. The Passoni is much more modelled in what the UK was doing in the mid 70s with flowing structure and hand sanded.

Sandvik, to understand better you can see it here. Below pulled from their web site years ago. Their business is tubes, and gluing them together how they knew was their inhouse expertise and it eventually went for bike builders to fend for themselves later.

A French bike with some USA Sandvik tubes I could imagine in a wild dream, but it makes little to no sense either. Sourcing from Reynolds or Columbus would be more natural.

A Sandvik built frame will most certainly say so, and a TST built frame with Sandvik tubes from up the road will also say so under the bottom bracket. Absolutely no question about that empirically speaking.

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@georges1 - "pilorget sandvik titanium custom made road bike of the same level of quality and finish than a Passoni "

Not wanting to start a bun fight, but I doubt that, and it's not totally clear. Not seeing any pictures nor having a timeline I need to comment. Sandvik (if we are talking the same) from my knowledge were not at all in the same playing field like Passoni, business wise, technically and aesthetically.

First up, one thing to get clear. Sandvik stopped producing bikes in 1997. It went over to TST after, essentially a rationalisation of core business.

I could well imagine a Dean or a Mongoose road bike (or even a few one off Kona) custom road bikes, but no. Not a French bike at Sandvik unless something very very extraordinary with a pay check to follow. I am open to stand corrected but without evidence I'm sorry this does not fly with me at all. Even Colnago didn't have the skills and that went to the Russian federation. The Passoni is much more modelled in what the UK was doing in the mid 70s with flowing structure and hand sanded.

Sandvik, to understand better you can see it here. Below pulled from their web site years ago. Their business is tubes, and gluing them together how they knew was their inhouse expertise and it eventually went for bike builders to fend for themselves later.

A French bike with some USA Sandvik tubes I could imagine in a wild dream, but it makes little to no sense either. Sourcing from Reynolds or Columbus would be more natural.

A Sandvik built frame will most certainly say so, and a TST built frame with Sandvik tubes from up the road will also say so under the bottom bracket. Absolutely no question about that empirically speaking.

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there is one pilorget in sandvik titanium for sale on le bon coin at bargain price Pilorget Titane at 1400€ you will see the pictures in the ad and see that yes a craftsmanhip with sandvik titanium is possible. In fact, he was the only french framebuilder using sandvik titanium in the early 90's whereas some others used columbus hyperion (which is remade again and improved) as well as reynolds titanium.
 
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I didn't even realise I was looking for a French holy grail, but I bought this frameset recently on here... And I think it is the nicest riding, possibly fastest (accounting for the ageing engine) bike I've owned. PXL_20240803_185356809.jpg
 
there is one pilorget in sandvik titanium for sale on le bon coin at bargain price Pilorget Titane at 1400€ you will see the pictures in the ad and see that yes a craftsmanhip with sandvik titanium is possible. In fact, he was the only french framebuilder using sandvik titanium in the early 90's whereas some others used columbus hyperion (which is remade again and improved) as well as reynolds titanium.

That must be quiet unique. Tube profile is indeed special. Reminds me of some Serotta's having a painted finish.
 
That must be quiet unique. Tube profile is indeed special. Reminds me of some Serotta's having a painted finish.
Yes, it is. The quality of his frames is very well known, he does a stellar job whether welding titanium , alumnium or fillet brazing steel. A Pilorget bike is something very exclusive and high end.My club leader at the time I was doing road bike racing (1996-1999) had a Pilorget, he chose Pilorget for making him a frame for the quality of the tubing and for its outstanding riding qualities.
 
Cyfac (Cycles Fabrication Atisanale de Cadres) was and is a household name if you are researching a high end top notch made frame.
Based in the Touraine region of France, Cyfac represents a major name in the French cycle industry, and a certain idea of craftsmanship combined with state-of-the-art technology. Cyfac manufactures custom road, track and touring frames in steel, aluminum, titanium and carbon, as well as titanium/carbon (laminated carbon joints, titanium tubes). In its young history, Cyfac was a pioneering company, the first manufacturer to TIG-weld aluminum frames, a synonym for the weight savings sought by Chiapucci, Pantani and others. Cyfac represents a technologically advanced craft of precision and quality, demonstrating that an SME can compete with global manufacturers. Today, Cyfac continues to offer handcrafted, made-to-measure frames for the general public and professionals alike. Cyfac's high standards are also reflected in the Cyfac postural system, the method used to measure the rider's posture and frame geometry, which is now developed and marketed by Morphologics.

Was on my hols a few years ago camping in Rillé and drove past the Cyfac factory by complete accident. Stopped and did a doubletake at the anonymous and unimpressive building inbetwen two small towns that has produced so many innovations and frames for big name racers.
 
I know of Cyfac because of its founder, Francis Quillon. Mrs non-fixie's favorite bike is one of his best-known designs:

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