What do you think of Shimano ditching rim brakes in 105 and higher?

[legrandefromage]

yes but Halfords or your average 80's / 90's bike shop had a tube that would fit, a cable that would fit, brake pads that fit

you didnt go out riding and suddenly need a seatpost or a chainring unless there was something really wrong.

Bike shops and hardware stores had stuff to get you home

bottom brackets is a little unfair as the it can just be a set of bearing to replace, I didnt need to change the UN71 cartridge in my own bike until about 2011. It had been used since 1993

a headset bearing change in a new road bike can be 4 or 5 hours labour, whereas an old threaded can be 20 minutes

And just how many standard standards are there now?? Way more than there needs to be. Heck, many frames now you cant even change the chainring size as it would foul the stays

 

[legrandefromage]

Out on a bicycle ride - a puncture - can I fix that? Yes I can, I have a patch, theres the hole, its done, I'm on my way. A cable snaps, no problem , its fixable and off I go. In the many moons of riding, I've never needed a seatpost or a chainring or a headset whilst out, even up in the rocky bits

I have needed a cartridge bottom bracket , yes - it went ping in a quite spectacular way but it was a pretty standard size as it wasnt running a fancy crankset at the time and there was one waiting to go in

My fancypants Topline cranks had been on some 10 years and 'plonk', the left arm falls off as it had cracked around the spindle, that was a long walk home. On went the original cranks for the next ride

That was all MTB, out in harsh environments and under stress. Road riding has just been punctures

What is so wrong about all of that? I dont get the snidey knock backs to the older kit or the people that still use it

Pow! and the BB was gone

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Agreed clue is in the name Retrobike.

 

[fettler]

Shimano as a company doesn't make money from selling second hand components, to maintain their brand position they need to push the latest tech and maintain a perceivable increase in performance with every new groupset. By dropping rim brakes they are pretty much telling you that they are OK for mid and low end bikes and therefore not really for serious hammerhead racers and riders any more. In a few years (already?) bike snobs in your Sunday chaingangs will snigger at archaic rim life reducing stoppers operated by a cable system it shares with a toilet flusher. I'd be happy to let rim brakes fade into the past completely if they could make the lower end ones work better.
Must dash, I'm about to jump into my 73 plate Morris Minor and stop by Blockbuster video to get a VHS to watch tonight but I'd be more worried about electronic shifting taking over.

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Awful car, what vid you getting? Electronic shifting? it'll never catch on.

 

[fettler]

Awful car

Moggie is the latest 2023 model, the best metallurgical advances means the engine will do over 5 million miles, galvanised body so it will never rust, there's no airbags and the seats are crap, there is a hand operated rotary system which raises and lowers the windows which is quite neat. Don't mention the drum brakes especially when it rains, I tried Shimano brake shoes in it but no improvement.
Hoping to pickup a copy off Die Hard as it's a Christmas movie after all. I want to see the similarities with my Nakatome Tower advent calendar.

 

[legrandefromage]

Shimano as a company doesn't make money from selling second hand components, to maintain their brand position they need to push the latest tech and maintain a perceivable increase in performance with every new groupset. By dropping rim brakes they are pretty much telling you that they are OK for mid and low end bikes and therefore not really for serious hammerhead racers and riders any more. In a few years (already?) bike snobs in your Sunday chaingangs will snigger at archaic rim life reducing stoppers operated by a cable system it shares with a toilet flusher. I'd be happy to let rim brakes fade into the past completely if they could make the lower end ones work better.
Must dash, I'm about to jump into my 73 plate Morris Minor and stop by Blockbuster video to get a VHS to watch tonight but I'd be more worried about electronic shifting taking over.

<tries to stifle sarky response to the above statement...>

Ooh, Pace, is that a crack?

<fails>

Shimano sells service kits and has service manuals for older equipment, that is their 2nd hand department if you want to be silly

And if you were really trying to ramp up the sarcasm, you would have gone betamax, driven off in an NSU RO80 whilst trying to log into Altavista

And as before, disc brakes both cable and hydraulic have been available for the bicycle for almost 50 years

Cycling has gone stale. Shimano does what Shimano has always done to shake things up, sram dumped the front mech, everybody followed suit but that front mech still exists however much sneering and deriding theire may be.

Those insecure followers of fashion or 'tech' don't always get it right

<dammit! Windows XP has just crashed >

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Still an awful car then

 

[brocklanders023]

Out on a bicycle ride - a puncture - can I fix that? Yes I can, I have a patch, theres the hole, its done, I'm on my way. A cable snaps, no problem , its fixable and off I go. In the many moons of riding, I've never needed a seatpost or a chainring or a headset whilst out, even up in the rocky bits

I have needed a cartridge bottom bracket , yes - it went ping in a quite spectacular way but it was a pretty standard size as it wasnt running a fancy crankset at the time and there was one waiting to go in

My fancypants Topline cranks had been on some 10 years and 'plonk', the left arm falls off as it had cracked around the spindle, that was a long walk home. On went the original cranks for the next ride

That was all MTB, out in harsh environments and under stress. Road riding has just been punctures

What is so wrong about all of that? I dont get the snidey knock backs to the older kit or the people that still use it

Pow! and the BB was gone

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My Syncros seat post exploded up at Malham Tarn on an official retrobike meet but that's another story!

Don't disagree mate but then I've never really suffered mechanicals on my modern bikes, and even the few I have (bearings usually) I'm able to limp home.

I guess my point is that there were different standards at every point of my time riding bikes and non of them have caused me too much distress when actually out riding. Oh, and trying to fit a 135mm rear wheel in to a 132mm frame has caused me to swear much more than boost! Setting up canti's properly is probably equal in bad language to bleeding hydraulic brakes.

 

[reindeer]

I guess a lot of riders who might have decided for a 105 group in the past are looking for GRX anyway. On the other hand, for the serious road rider 105 is just entry level. Afair there were rumors that they are going to replace everything sub 105 with something like Cues. I have Sora and Claris levers but I don’t see many reasons to buy a whole groupset nowadays. People want wider tires, maybe a less complicated one by drivetrain with a big cassette. Some of their road lineup has become obsolete because of “gravel”.