Unidentified Ti MTB Frame(s) Any Idea?

Paddyosonic

Retro Newbie
I was in a local shop last year that mainly does repairs and used bike sales. While I was waiting for the proprietor's attention, I noticed what appeared to be a new titanium frame hanging on the wall. It had canti-bosses, cable-guides on the drive-side of the top tube (so pre V-brake era) and tapered chainstays with no chainstay bridge. (like a cyclocross frame or a Bontrager) Looking around the shop I saw that he had several of these frames. I asked about them.

He'd gotten them as NOS from a distributor. No other information. No idea where or who built them. He only wanted $500 CAD each for them. I bought one to build up as a work bike. Old school MTB geometry, similar to an early Merlin or an old Litespeed. 15.5" frame size with a 21.75" top tube length, bottom bracket 12" high (ground to centre) when using 26 x 1.8" tires. Cool! I like high bottom brackets. Straight-gauge head tube for 1+1/8", 1.25" diameter main tubes, 5/8" seatstays and tapered chainstays with no bridge. Top-tube cable-guides are alloy, riveted on. Water bottle bosses are also riveted.

I built it up with a Tsunami rigid disc-fork. Mostly using it for food delivery but I've taken it on a few short trail rides. Very bouncy, springy ride, much like an '89 Merlin I used to have. The welds on the main triangle are pretty ugly. They remind me a bit of a MiG frame I had for a short while. I love this frame so much though, I bought a second one to build up as my 'fun' bike. Somebody had stuck a Salsa decal on the head tube of the second frame but I've confirmed it is definitely not a Salsa.

Anybody out there have any idea of who made these? I'm guessing by the drive-side cable routing that they're mid-90s.
 

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A shot in the dark, I have a vague memory that the REI sports outlet did their own Ti MTB frames at one point.
 
A shot in the dark, I have a vague memory that the REI sports outlet did their own Ti MTB frames at one point.
I remember Supergo also had one in their catalogue back in the early/mid 1990s. So far, only that scary looking rear triangle on Ebay is a match.
 
I was having a look at some of the threads regarding the Raleigh MTi-1000 frames of the early 1990s. I searched the web and studied a slew of pictures in detail. The two unidentified frames that I have bear some identical features to the 1994 MTi-1000. Same dropouts, same chainstays, same welded-on ribbed cable guides on the rear triangle, same riveted cable guides on the top tube. I am wondering if these frames were made at the same facility as the 1994 Raleigh MTi-1000? I do love the way they ride. Noodley-smooth, much like the Teledyne Titan road frame I used to have. Must be a thing with CP-grade tubing.
 
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You may be on to something. Agree with many details. Except the wishbone seat-stay.

Thing is, I understood most (all) were made in Nottingham, UK. Something about the Derby Group, with sales across Europe if I recall correctly.

Gazelle in Holland, something else in Germany, perhaps Raleigh? It's odd, but only the other day I was looking at a Gazelle where they put a weird logo at the back of the seat-tube which is completely obscured by the wishbone stay. If it were normal stays, it would make complete sense, but I just thought how retarded; it should have really been picked up by anyone with any kind of bike visuals knowledge.

So......perhaps.....just perhaps there were some paper and design exercises for a normal rear stay, which would account for a lot with your frame and a rear triangle floating around Ebay!
 
Weren't there a number of Russian and Chinese factories turning out inexpensive Ti bike frames after the collapse of the Soviet Union?
 
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