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Well, as I've looked at the thread I'd better reply to keep kingbling happy.

I used to ride with the Midland region, as there were very few rides in my area (near Bristol). We did have one ride, but it was a bit fast and furious for (at the time) a recent returnee with an old skool geared Zaskar.

I did at one time early on with the assistance of James (redhotchilli) organise a British Steel ride in the Forest of Dean, we had a sensible turn out, but I was disappointed that all those with classic 90's bikes didn't (for the mostpart) turn up, so we didn't do that again.

Since then all the AEC's have gone off to do other things, but the last three rides I did were just too fast for me, so now I just stick to bi annual attendance to HONC and Mayhem, while packing in as much road riding as I can as well as a trip to Scotland on the years I don't do the other events.

All of this independence means I don't actually look at the rides calendar any more, first because rides stopped being organised near me and second because those that I attended I did not enjoy very much.
 
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NeilM":52kk0naf said:
Well, as I've looked at the thread I'd better reply to keep kingbling happy.
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Thanks for the insight Neil, Its feedback like this that AECs need. I was always to taught to ride at the pace of the slowest rider and I agree it is major put off when you find yourself riding alone when your supposed to be on a social ride.
 
If you ride with us we tend to compete for slowest rider, we (and I have) even cut back during rides if they are too long for some, often due to the weather.

It depends how your region or locals car about the other riders.

I know some don't come back out riding here, that's fair, not everyone gets on or rides in the same style and attention diverts elsewhere.
I can only speek for myself, the rides we put on and have been too.
 
kingbling":vhv1zmt7 said:
its ok didn't take it in an argumentative way just fair and just criticism of the situation and as you say members have got to want to ride.

out of 121 views on this topic so far only 5 including myself have replied to it, which to me goes to show not that many care about riding I'm not actually sure what they do but I WISH THEY WOULD COMMENT

Clive. Me and a couple of others are waiting on you to organise the retro road ride hehe
Anyway this has got to be the best topic I've read on RB in a long time and makes some good points I'm just hoping some more members can read this topic and voice there opinions.
Cheers
 
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I do intend to organize more rides, Iv'e done a few already. I'd like to know more about this insurance thing actually.
What rides would be covered, and for what? Do we need to take personal details for every one we do?
I will always ride to the slowest person in the group. You simply won't get riders back to do more otherwise.
Road rides especially, can turn out to be strung out as the red mist descends! :roll:

If you want to train, the only way to do it effectively, is by doing it on your own, at your own pace.

At the end of the day, and normally at the beginning too, we're too old and wise to be taking things too seriously.

It's all about, FUN! FUN! FUN!

BTW, I don't do Facebook or Twitter, so all the rides I organize will be posted on here, in the South East section.

Mike
 
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I was disappointed when the midland region stopped organising rides, as we had some crackers.

The scrapheap challenge was one of note; around the Verderers trail in the FoD on retro bikes bought for the event that cost £20 or less. I think that was one of the best attended rides I have been on.

My first ever organised road ride was with the Midland group too. It snowed on my way to the Cotswolds and I consumed way too much home made flapjack afterwards.

There is a lot of responsibility on the AEC, and all that planning and organising work is done not knowing if you will have ten, five or one attendee. Plus too often it is a thankless task, literally.
 
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Let's see what next year brings for a new area rides thingy, for now let's work on the up and coming events and try and get a few small rides dotted all over for locals to have a go. Not official retrobike rides to get over the aec/insurance issues, just good old fashioned bike rides.

I appreciate that some areas are busier than others and you'd have thought with the Facebook things it would channel more attention to the rides pages here.....? Just a thought but that might kick start the re revolution for those on and off farcebooook to help "retrobike forum " rides, I dontknow but worth a try

I know I haven't been too busy organising rides but with group issues, low or no attendees to those we have or had it's hard for me to get motivated and be more proactive.

Anyways, I'll organise the peaks ride this year as I love it and if less turn up, I don't mind, I'll happily ride around on my own wondering if these canti pads will stop me in time.....hahaha

Could talk all year about it, the highs, lows, fashion, forum issues competing with social media etc etc but we need to remember it is just a group of old timers reminising the old days of cool bikes and having fun.....

Next :)
 
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Just one thing I'd like to mention quickly, the way Vern (Kaya) advertises rides on Facebook feeds back into the forum nicely and the two compliment each other well.

I only made it to this thread via a link a friend sent me in Facebook Messenger, kinda says it all.

Okay two things: it's possible to subscribe to a whole sub forum (eg your area group) in the same way as you would a thread, so if anything is posted there you'll get a notification. Very helpful for subsections that receive little traffic.
 
Paul end of August I hope

Mike thats all to true

Neil, Longun I've been that organiser in the carpark when no one turns up its shite

Pedro thats ok if there's activity in your area and I do appreciate the links to the Yorkshire rides but they are just to far to travel to

And lets not be to quick to dismiss this thread if we want better attended rides should we try to get more feedback on the subject and use that to implement new ideas.
 
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I haven't been active on the forum for quite some time. Cycling is popular; it keeps me busy running my business.

Anyway, being as I still have the National and North West Area Event Coordinator banners next to my name I should probably comment on this thread.
I actually stepped down from the AEC role a few months ago due to the aforementioned lack of free time to commit to the role.
As it happens John (the site owner and admin) is also very busy in his life too so it's understandable that my status hasn't been updated and my role hasn't been filled.

Looking back to 2010 when the Regional Area Groups were set up under the leadership of MrKawasaki (Neil), the idea was simply to get more people from the forum to meet up and experience the great things that come from riding old bikes together with like minded people.
Shortly after that came Regional and National Coordinators to organise and manage the rides. Then came the National Series (courtesy of Sinnett177 aka Mark), all of which were set up within the space of a year. The Retrobike rides flourished for the first two or three years with participant numbers over 60 on the 2011 Peak District ride, and well over 200 individuals riding at the various National rounds all around the country over that and the next couple of years.
It was great, there were stickers and everything!

But as time passed, commitment levels from the original group of volunteer ride organisers dwindled due to the inevitable pressures of real life. The novelty of official Retrobike rides began to wear off, and the logistics and expense of travelling around the country began to mount up, participant numbers began to slide. Even the stickers stopped.

As a good benchmark, last year's annual Peak District ride only had about 20 riders in total, and there wasn't enough will from all the regional area coordinators to pull together a viable National series. Instead we had a handful of 'Classic' rides and lots of low key local rides where groups were still active.

Things evolve, people move on and the nature of organising rides has shifted away from the forum and onto social media.
Some area groups remain very active due to the consistent hard work and enthusiasm from a few key individuals, others have floundered; some never even took off.

Looking back over my five years or so as the National Coordinator, I have mixed feelings about my role and my past experiences.
On one hand it has been great. I've met so many people on the rides who have changed from being faceless usernames into really good friends. I've had a fantastic time riding bikes all over the country and laughed so much with other people whilst doing so.

But it's also been like herding cats.
As a Retrobike purist I don't see the point of turning up to a Retrobike ride on a modern bike and I got sick of explaining the 'no helmet - no ride' policy.
More importantly I've often been quietly annoyed by a very small minority who have complained about and criticised the efforts of a group of volunteers based, it seems, on an enormous sense of self entitlement.
Fortunately the latter of these things has been relatively rare.


While it really isn't that difficult to organise a good ride, it's much more difficult to manage expectations, and can be really frustrating working with other people, especially when they whinge and bicker.
I would love to see a resurgence in the whole Retrobike ride scene, I can also understand why lots of people have gone off and done their own thing.

To answer the original question about area groups being to large; I'd agree. They are too big, especially if you live far away from where any rides are being organised.
But what is the solution?
Do we have ride organisers in every county, every city, every town?
In terms of Retrobike members the answer to that if definitively a no.
We currently seem to struggle to recruit and maintain reliable ride organisers/leaders as it is.
Putting pressure on the ones we have to organise more rides, especially in places they are not familiar with, isn't going to motivate them to remain.

More people just need to step up, use the forum, social media or whatever to organise rides if they want rides to happen.

If you are planning on planning a ride then remember to do some planning.
Do your homework, pre-ride the route if possible, consider the potential risks, find escape routes, build in contingency plans and give as much realistic and relevant info about what to expect as you can.
A good mid ride pub stop also helps/is essential.

If you are worried about liability then join the CTC or British Cycling to get some public liability insurance cover and/or get a guiding qualification and first aid training.

Or just put your feet up and wait for somebody else to do it for you. (But don't be surprised if nobody does)
 
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