crazyviolinguy
Retro Newbie
Hello Bike Chat '98!
I wonder if I could find some information about these two P7 frames that I have. I am about to rebuild one of them, as a theft robbed me of my 2001 P7. The closest frames I've been able to find by way of replacements are these two.
I believe they are both from 1997 or 1998, but I am not sure. There are some differences which I noticed, and they interested me.
So the Black one's frame number is A41002483 (Which confused me as the first digit is supposed to denote year, and 4 would be 1994). It has a rear-facing seat post slot (I understand they may have put together bits and bobs in the factory, but still..), it does not have any of the diamond shaped bottle-cage mounts (as you can see in the photo), and the frame tubes seem to be the same diameter as those of my old 2001 P7. I remember it had a frame number starting with 'A'. It also has a totally smooth tube where the headset is seated on the top and bottom. It has rack braze ons.
The Orange-coloured frame might be from a different factory, the number is MT71003050, it has diamond shaped bottle braze ons, a forward-facing seat post slot, two little drain holes under the bottom bracket. It's headset tube has slightly thicker, stepped ends, where the fork and the steerer go into the top and bottom. It also doesn't have rack braze ons.
I also noticed that the top tube and down tube seem to be of a slightly larger diameter. They sound higher in tone when you flick them.
So if anyone knows about these frames I'd be glad for any information. Why are the tubes different? Why does the Orange coloured frame seem to be made with slightly more care in the welding and details? Which year might they have been made?
Any info greatly appreciated, to help me decide which to build into my everyday town/touring bike. I would need to get a chainstay bridge welded onto either of them, and the orange frame would need braze ons to accommodate a rack.
I thought the wisest idea would be to sell the Orange MTB frame as it is really in great condition, and use the black frame as an everyday bike. They are both lovely, but the fizzy Orange frame is just beautiful, and I am leaning towards rebuilding it.
Sorry about the not too great photos!
Darius
I wonder if I could find some information about these two P7 frames that I have. I am about to rebuild one of them, as a theft robbed me of my 2001 P7. The closest frames I've been able to find by way of replacements are these two.
I believe they are both from 1997 or 1998, but I am not sure. There are some differences which I noticed, and they interested me.
So the Black one's frame number is A41002483 (Which confused me as the first digit is supposed to denote year, and 4 would be 1994). It has a rear-facing seat post slot (I understand they may have put together bits and bobs in the factory, but still..), it does not have any of the diamond shaped bottle-cage mounts (as you can see in the photo), and the frame tubes seem to be the same diameter as those of my old 2001 P7. I remember it had a frame number starting with 'A'. It also has a totally smooth tube where the headset is seated on the top and bottom. It has rack braze ons.
The Orange-coloured frame might be from a different factory, the number is MT71003050, it has diamond shaped bottle braze ons, a forward-facing seat post slot, two little drain holes under the bottom bracket. It's headset tube has slightly thicker, stepped ends, where the fork and the steerer go into the top and bottom. It also doesn't have rack braze ons.
I also noticed that the top tube and down tube seem to be of a slightly larger diameter. They sound higher in tone when you flick them.
So if anyone knows about these frames I'd be glad for any information. Why are the tubes different? Why does the Orange coloured frame seem to be made with slightly more care in the welding and details? Which year might they have been made?
Any info greatly appreciated, to help me decide which to build into my everyday town/touring bike. I would need to get a chainstay bridge welded onto either of them, and the orange frame would need braze ons to accommodate a rack.
I thought the wisest idea would be to sell the Orange MTB frame as it is really in great condition, and use the black frame as an everyday bike. They are both lovely, but the fizzy Orange frame is just beautiful, and I am leaning towards rebuilding it.
Sorry about the not too great photos!
Darius
