Tottenham riots

[bm0p700f]

I have tought long enough to know that most young people are good citizens. Some are not but I am totally flabbergasted at how this happened. I think those invovled percieved weakness in the Police response in Tottenham and though they would have a go. I suppose some are now realising that the state does swing into action and is not weak.

I dislike however alot of the guff being expressed in the media about the casues and fixes. There is no quick fix, those young people and some working people who were invovled are a product of our own society, our very society needs to change including the way families live.

I found it depressing to hear on parent say that if he is alseep and his son goes out to loot how is he supposed to know. These kids today he added just do what ever they want.

I have taught in a secondary school in a deprived area of Essex for 5 years until this July and while some students did try to do what they wanted they untimatley were held to account. This parent gave the distinct impression that he had given up holding his own son to account. That is what I mean about a change to the way families live.

 

[suburbanreuben]

I have tought long enough to know that most young people are good citizens. Some are not but I am totally flabbergasted at how this happened. I think those invovled percieved weakness in the Police response in Tottenham and though they would have a go. I suppose some are now realising that the state does swing into action and is not weak.

I dislike however alot of the guff being expressed in the media about the casues and fixes. There is no quick fix, those young people and some working people who were invovled are a product of our own society, our very society needs to change including the way families live.

I found it depressing to hear on parent say that if he is alseep and his son goes out to loot how is he supposed to know. These kids today he added just do what ever they want.

I have taught in a secondary school in a deprived area of Essex for 5 years until this July and while some students did try to do what they wanted they untimatley were held to account. This parent gave the distinct impression that he had given up holding his own son to account. That is what I mean about a change to the way families live.

I hope it's not English wot you've tought,... :shock:

 

[makster]

I have tought long enough to know that most young people are good citizens. Some are not but I am totally flabbergasted at how this happened. I think those invovled percieved weakness in the Police response in Tottenham and though they would have a go. I suppose some are now realising that the state does swing into action and is not weak.

I dislike however alot of the guff being expressed in the media about the casues and fixes. There is no quick fix, those young people and some working people who were invovled are a product of our own society, our very society needs to change including the way families live.

I found it depressing to hear on parent say that if he is alseep and his son goes out to loot how is he supposed to know. These kids today he added just do what ever they want.

I have taught in a secondary school in a deprived area of Essex for 5 years until this July and while some students did try to do what they wanted they untimatley were held to account. This parent gave the distinct impression that he had given up holding his own son to account. That is what I mean about a change to the way families live.

I hope it's not English wot you've tought,... :shock:

On Tuesday (when our police force were supposedly at breaking point, and the army were going to have to help) I drove past 2 mobile speed cameras, both manned by 2 officers, on my way home from work. Priorities??
The cynic in me does look at the timing of this, with the police fighting wage and personnel cuts (harder than they fought the looters!) and thinks the police are rubbing their hands now

 

[BoyBurning]

What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the law.

Cue beats...

 

[lumos2000]

I dislike however alot of the guff being expressed in the media about the casues and fixes. There is no quick fix, those young people and some working people who were invovled are a product of our own society, our very society needs to change including the way families live.

I found it depressing to hear on parent say that if he is alseep and his son goes out to loot how is he supposed to know. These kids today he added just do what ever they want.

That is what I mean about a change to the way families live.

you hit the nail on the head there, a recent discution on my facebook was questioning morality and self disciplin, the problem is morality and self discipline is learnt at an early age from being around family and family values. most of the kids involved it the riots have no idea what this is and only learn from people around them, gangs and gang culture in the meida. other countrys embrace family life where as our culture has no time for it.

 

[tintin40]

They had riots in Chile. The police there don't piss about but then nor do the rioters.
Oh and they were not looting and it was for better social conditions like welfare.

strange world

 

[BoyBurning]

I dislike however alot of the guff being expressed in the media about the casues and fixes. There is no quick fix, those young people and some working people who were invovled are a product of our own society, our very society needs to change including the way families live.

I found it depressing to hear on parent say that if he is alseep and his son goes out to loot how is he supposed to know. These kids today he added just do what ever they want.

That is what I mean about a change to the way families live.

you hit the nail on the head there, a recent discution on my facebook was questioning morality and self disciplin, the problem is morality and self discipline is learnt at an early age from being around family and family values. most of the kids involved it the riots have no idea what this is and only learn from people around them, gangs and gang culture in the meida. other countrys embrace family life where as our culture has no time for it.

Morality and self disciplin (sic) on FaceBook...

Oh the irony...

The kids you mention involved in the riots who would probably stand a better chance of ..."learning from family and family values" possibly would if they actually spent more time with their families rather than glued to FaceBook pages...

Unfortunately, if their parents are anything like my mates with kids they are all too glued to bloody FaceBook pages themselves half the time...


BB

 

[BoyBurning]

Anyway, by far the worst thing about all this is that I miss the bloody Spurs / Everton match this weekend...


BB

 

[1duck]

Anyway, by far the worst thing about all this is that I miss the bloody Spurs / Everton match this weekend...


BB

No point the scousers visiting tottenham, all the good stuff has already been robbed.

 

[silverclaws]

Does anyone think that perhaps the riots we have seen via the media around the world in recent months might have had an effrect on those that rioted in the last few days ?

As lets face it everything was going along sort of as usual, yet an incident where it was claimed the police lied gave rise to what happened.

A free for all where it seems the police were on the whole powerless and powerless for the very reasons another poster on this thread said, the media will watch every move and condem what it sees as wrong thus ruining the police further in the eyes of all.

A free for all because it seems all groups were involved, racists and anti racists, capitalists and socialists, rich and poor alike, which means there is no specific political agenda apart from the fact that before anyone is anything other than human, they are that first and could it be they were rioting as humans fed up with whatever ?

So, we may cast our mind back to perhaps Egypt where the riots deposed a government, those that rioted were people who had had enough of the bullshit they were fed, and believe me, there was some serious bullshit in that country, but of those that rioted, they were of every grouping, just like here, differences cast aside in a common aim.

Something is sweeping the world here, and I feel America may have it's chance soon and that will be the problem, because America has a constitution which allows it to bear arms, a right that was put into motion to stop a government becoming too powerful over the country's citizens, but even that the second ammendment will be open to interpretation during and after the fact.

But if there is a common feeling what is it ?

Globalisation ?

What ?