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I literally provided links to massive increase in welfare, healthcare, life expectancy and education with further tabs showing decrease in negative metrics. Not only this the wealth inequality has been a constant that means increase in gdp is being shared (rising tide). The CCP has environmental policies but I presume you’re ignoring them to suit your narrative. What we do is export our manufacturing and therefore pollution metrics. You have tried to make a compelling retort but fail to provide anything other than the same rubbish that’s been fed to you since infancy.

I agree with most of what you say. Having lived in India for several years i would 100% rather be poor in China than there. The CCP has unquestionably raised the living standards and life prospects for the majority of the country's population.
For sure, the wealth that we enjoy in Europe now was built on the back of ruthless exploitation of people in poor countries over the last few centuries. There has never been a more ruthless bunch of gangsters than the British East India Company - who got legitimized and became the empire. I am totally in accord with you on this. I am not some jingoist, blind to the awful debilitating impact of imperialism. During ww2 Winston Churchill made decisions about army food supplies that created famine and mass starvation in what was British India. The man was a massive racist even by the standards of a very racist time.
I am not seeking to enter into a competition about who has done worse things when. What i am trying to do is call out a really really bad thing that is happening now.
On another note, i laugh/cry when i hear our politicians claim that the UK leads the world in tackling climate change. Until we take proper account of the impact of all the shite that we offshore to whichever regime will do our dirty work then we haven't a leg to stand on. That said China joined the WTO and said it would abide by certain environmental, human rights, competition etc standards - and binned those commitments the moment it got membership.
I could go on. Everything is more nuanced than we can grasp at any one point in time. I stand by what i said earlier. China has done many good things for its people but its current direction under Xi is awful, truly awful - including for its own people. There a lot of signs that the economic miracle is stumbling due lack of trust/transparency/confidence/ indebtedness of the Chinese government. Do a simple search on Reuters or some such news wire if you don't believe me.
 
I have a couple of ti kings available for sale 😁

I'm prepared to buy them from you before @ferrus gets a sniff in, and at a rate of 5% more than what he paid for those cheap nasty world imploding knock off items of misery from China.

I think 5% and a slice of Fruit-n-Nut cake is a very very generous offer to keep the world beautiful, live in peace and have a clear conscience.

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I'm prepared to buy them from you before @ferrus gets a sniff in, and at a rate of 5% more than what he paid for those cheap nasty world imploding knock off items of misery from China.

I think 5% and a slice of Fruit-n-Nut cake is a very very generous offer to keep the world beautiful, live in peace and have a clear conscience.

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Fruit n nut cake might as well just pierce my brain with a rusty fence spike and give me a tetanus jab as an ironic death gesture, wrap me up in barbed wire and throw me into the pile of soon to be crushed MBK aluminium commuters at the local recycling center
 
Probably going to get some flack over this post, but ....

If we leave out all the dreadful deeds done in the past from colonial heritages (or rather learn from them a bit), and look more to the future, about how to resolve certain things, we are in a bit of a dilemma at the moment.

Many countries have had to up their military spending because, let's be honest, there is not peace time in Europe. That money in an ideal world, would have been put to greater use if it wasn't a few morons ruining things. The other thing, is actually re-starting home grown industry to take care of the mass market. Here, I think the UK is far behind. The UK industry seems to me to target the high end and status seeking section of population. There's quite a bit of industry, notably in southern Europe that is making more affordable and admittedly of course poorer quality household products which does indeed compete with the output from China. France is a bit in the middle - there is not sufficient lower cost items produced, but I have definitely seen a change in more offerings and importantly a mind-set shift which is resounding with younger more entrepreneurial types post Covid. I think the Nordic countries, and to quite a degree Germany will be having an harder time to adjust from their traditional affluent comforts to something more grounded, less hypocritical and balances the needs better of energy sources and a "good enough" standard of living .
 
Probably going to get some flack over this post, but ....

If we leave out all the dreadful deeds done in the past from colonial heritages (or rather learn from them a bit), and look more to the future, about how to resolve certain things, we are in a bit of a dilemma at the moment.

Many countries have had to up their military spending because, let's be honest, there is not peace time in Europe. That money in an ideal world, would have been put to greater use if it wasn't a few morons ruining things. The other thing, is actually re-starting home grown industry to take care of the mass market. Here, I think the UK is far behind. The UK industry seems to me to target the high end and status seeking section of population. There's quite a bit of industry, notably in southern Europe that is making more affordable and admittedly of course poorer quality household products which does indeed compete with the output from China. France is a bit in the middle - there is not sufficient lower cost items produced, but I have definitely seen a change in more offerings and importantly a mind-set shift which is resounding with younger more entrepreneurial types post Covid. I think the Nordic countries, and to quite a degree Germany will be having an harder time to adjust from their traditional affluent comforts to something more grounded, less hypocritical and balances the needs better of energy sources and a "good enough" standard of living .
China is a huge export market for us Danes and one day it'll all come back to bite us in the arse, Scandinavian comfort was largely achieved by piggybacking imperialist ventures anyway and when it comes to actual entrepreneurship and innovations we are about as useful as a fish in the Olympic 100m
 
If we leave out all the dreadful deeds done in the past from colonial heritages (or rather learn from them a bit), and look more to the future, about how to resolve certain things, we are in a bit of a dilemma at the moment.

Many countries have had to up their military spending because, let's be honest, there is not peace time in Europe. That money in an ideal world, would have been put to greater use if it wasn't a few morons ruining things. The other thing, is actually re-starting home grown industry to take care of the mass market. Here, I think the UK is far behind. The UK industry seems to me to target the high end and status seeking section of population. There's quite a bit of industry, notably in southern Europe that is making more affordable and admittedly of course poorer quality household products which does indeed compete with the output from China. France is a bit in the middle - there is not sufficient lower cost items produced, but I have definitely seen a change in more offerings and importantly a mind-set shift which is resounding with younger more entrepreneurial types post Covid. I think the Nordic countries, and to quite a degree Germany will be having an harder time to adjust from their traditional affluent comforts to something more grounded, less hypocritical and balances the needs better of energy sources and a "good enough" standard of living .
We have a market economy, not planned. This means apart from tax incentives there it little way to steer the boat. If it’s cheaper for a company to export their manufacturing it is in the interest for the company and/or shareholders to do so. We as a state have been subsidising the rich forever with a brief hiccup post war for 20 years. Expecting the ruling class to change this is akin to asking a leopard to change its spots.

People will argue that China is Capitalist but much like the NEP introduced by Lenin it is manipulated by the control of the party to benefit the people.
 
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