Should The Police Routinely Carry Guns?

I think there are bigger concerns at the moment, like PCCs frittering away public funds. Our PCC talks to God. I've nothing against those who have a chat with the almighty, but draw the line at taking policing advice from a deity.
 
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I think there are bigger concerns at the moment, like PCCs frittering away public funds. Our PCC talks to God. I've nothing against those who have a chat with the almighty, but draw the line at taking policing advice from a deity.
To quote House:-

"You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic."
 
I have re-read a lot of the posts and i can see that not many people have any respect for the police - that may be warranted in light of Plebgate and the Hillsborough disaster. I will not try and justify any actions that have taken place but I will say that you should not tar all police with the same brush. I rarely hear a story where a police officer did something good but that is just the time we live in. One mistake and it is on FB or youtube and the news - no mistakes and no one hears. I am quick to give credit where it is due but i seem to be in a minority.

The Police Services carry out a very difficult job - and here is how the government treat them -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27504422

An absolute disgrace and i am seething - that is all, before i swear.

Richard
 
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The Police Federation is not strictly part of the Police force, it's a bit like a union, supposedly fighting for the rights and welfare of Police Officers as they are not allowed to strike.

There was an interesting program on C4 recently, sadly no longer available, that painted a rather damming picture of the Police Federation: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/
 
The federation were set up in the 20's by the Government as a sop for removing the right to.strike and the right to join unions. At anything above a strictly local level there's no one who love it, except the officers of the joint branch board who sit in an office all day and go on paid jollies.
 
Xerxes is right, the PF is basically the Police union, and has been seen to be more than a little unfit for purpose of late, shall we say. Lots of allegations of bullying and intimidation, and several top officials have done the old Police trick of resigning before disciplinary action can be taken against them. The PF is in need of a complete reorganisation, it seems.

As for the issue of arming the Police, it seems to me that they get themselves into a bit of bother regularly enough without routine bobbies being armed - having them armed would mean the risk of incidents would increase hugely. I have family (sister sergeant, brother DI) in the Met and neither are in favour of arming en masse.

I do have a mate in the Notts constabulary who served for several years in Armed Response Units, and we had the discussion of shooting to disable a target on more than a few occasions. This is his take on the matter, from the horse's mouth if you like, from a bike forum we are both on:

"If we have to draw arms, then the situation is already critical. We do not shoot to disable, we shoot to kill. There is a incident, you've drawn arms, you're on adrenaline, as is the suspect. He may be firing at you, and you may have a few seconds maximum to aim and fire. Have you ever seen how small a human thigh or arm is down a gun sight at as little as 30 feet? It's nothing. You aim for the biggest target, the centre of the torso. You double tap, in case you miss, or the weapon jams. If that doesn't take the suspect down, then you aim for the head. That's what we are taught to do. You draw a gun and you've crossed the line. I don't have time to ask myself is it a replica gun, and I don't care anyway. I have a wife and kid at home, and I'm not going to take risks with my own life, sorry."

I understand that attitude.
 
If you are speaking to him ask him to justify the 'double tap'. I am not sure you will get away with that now.

Richard
 
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I would have thought the double tap was obvious? it is an accurate method to dispense multiple shots. It also adds a level of extra surity for the reason they were fired.

The level of armed police has gone up but death by a police firearm is incredibly rare and perhaps that is the point we should be looking at rather than some of the usual anti police rhetoric.

I make no bones about it, if someone was coming at me with a gun, knife, sword or weapon that could cause my death and I had a gun on me then that person has already decided my action.

As usual we seem to worry more about the offenders than the offended against.
 
Your obvious reason is not legal, it does not comply with Human Rights legislation - hence my 'obvious question'.

Richard
 
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Human rights? I think your missing the point. Guns are only drawn when someone is possibly doing a human wrong.

What would you have them do in the face of someone holding a shotgun to their or anothers face? Dislike the baddy on Facebook?

But I'm open, could you post a link that refers specifically to double tap within the human rights act as you have quoted ?
 
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