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rBotM Winner
For the first one my second and probably better bet is that it's an RRA Moderne 1957, as the pump pegs were moved to under the top tube and mudguard mounting positions moved off the rear stays onto the rear drop outs. Sturmey Archer hub gears were still an option on this year, so the brazed on boss for the pully wheel at the rear of the top tube would be correct. Rare frame. I'll study the second one now!