This guy I was talking to is a landscape fencing contractor he is matter of fact and practical, I take the humorous point that yes perhaps old bikes to him means Raleigh catalogue bikes that weigh .. 56lbs apparently! But I need to swing by and let him have a quick blat up the road on my old Kona, see what 52 teeth on the old middleburn cranks and 26 wheels make it feel like, I find modern bikes sluggish if comfy, and that old kona weighs just under 24lbs... maybe it will be interesting for him..