Pre 1997 date, how did that come about

I was quite happy riding my modern bikes until I got funny looks off people on here, just sayin.
They were rather crap though and mostly budget bikes. Now I have good bikes but I can't afford to heat my home.

The people in here do speak the truth, my bikes were not great and Brian bloomin Harvey, cheers 👍
 
RB predates instafart, facefart, maybe even youfart

We all met up, laughed at each other's inadequaces, smelt each other's manly musk and poked fun during the aftermath threads

What happens now is that everyone laughs at your 26 wheels
Not FaceFart, that came before as did MyShed before that.
YouFart was just before RetroBike.
Instafart, Twitter, WhatsAfart were later.

(Someone had to say it, I don't mind being a arse)


But yes can we have the good old days that you talk of back, they were great.

(Ignore the fact that's as long ago now as retro was from that point.
2010 is 14 years ago, 14 years before that was 1996, near enough to the end of the Retro era.)
 
Punctures still happen, frames still snap, chains still pop.

Nothing has changed

Social Media however, that is responsible for what you ride now
I couldn't tell you the last time I punctured, probably several years ago, and fixed in thirty seconds with a Dynaplug. Frames now stand a chance of making it past six months and out the warranty period before catastrophic failure, and chains last way longer because they're not flapping around as much as they used to thanks to clutches and n/w rings. Yes, things still fail, but the frequency of failures I would say is less than 10% of those early products. I used to break DH frames on average every six months. Since 2008 I haven't broken a frame in the first season (i.e before I sold it), and the last frame I retired was my old Nukeproof Mega after six years of racing and general abuse. Prior to that it was a complete lottery, and parts would regularly fail with very little effort. Sure stuff still breaks, but usually after significantly more abuse. You only had to look at most nineties stuff and bushes or seals would wear out and cracks would magically appear.

Lots has changed; what hasn't is that we're still grown adults sliding about in the woods having fun. Well, most of us are having fun, there are definitely some people you see who seem to be struggling with that element!

Maybe that's the collective 'you' that you're using there, but I can safely say that social media has zero impact on what I personally ride in trail terms; in fact the opposite, as I generally have little interest in the crap that passes for 'built' trails these days. I want steep tech and that's what I've enjoyed riding since I swung my leg over a bike, it's just what technology and my skills are capable of that's allowed me to do harder stuff. I push myself and have never been one to bow to peer pressure even when I was racing, and if I've built something it's because I've wanted to build it and ride it. Not everyone is being led. Some people cease to develop past a period in their life and that's fine. I get the love of old bikes, but let's not pretend they're incredible other than as a piece of history that brings back memories. And as to social media leading bike tech, I had a frame made with custom geo twelve years ago which had geo that is still my ideal; low BB, short back end, 64 deg head angle, 465 reach, 780 bars. At the time when I wrote an article about it on PB everyone said 'urgh, that's ridiculous', but guess what everyone's on now? If you don't get the benefits of modern bikes, that's fine, but modern bikes absolutely are better than anything we've ever had. Are they as bespoke or special? I'd say no, but what's wrong with off the shelf? The main issue with modern stuff is that people overbike themselves but, again, let's not assume that everyone on these big bikes is overbiked and not maximising what they're capable of.
 
Just speaking for here and London, most people ride bikes they don't get the benefit of here. London is a different matter, lots more riding appropriate bikes, if a little underbiked for the state of the roads.
 
I think that hits the nail on the head.

(As for the original question... That was answered a while back.)
Although if we didn't want to overbike ourselves, the technology and style would have little pressure to move forwards, and the 95
Cindercone, p7, 850, bear valley would still be on sale...🤔

Except the market would have become saturated and there would be no demand for new bikes!
 
I couldn't tell you the last time I punctured, probably several years ago, and fixed in thirty seconds with a Dynaplug. Frames now stand a chance of making it past six months and out the warranty period before catastrophic failure, and chains last way longer because they're not flapping around as much as they used to thanks to clutches and n/w rings. Yes, things still fail, but the frequency of failures I would say is less than 10% of those early products. I used to break DH frames on average every six months. Since 2008 I haven't broken a frame in the first season (i.e before I sold it), and the last frame I retired was my old Nukeproof Mega after six years of racing and general abuse. Prior to that it was a complete lottery, and parts would regularly fail with very little effort. Sure stuff still breaks, but usually after significantly more abuse. You only had to look at most nineties stuff and bushes or seals would wear out and cracks would magically appear.

Lots has changed; what hasn't is that we're still grown adults sliding about in the woods having fun. Well, most of us are having fun, there are definitely some people you see who seem to be struggling with that element!

Maybe that's the collective 'you' that you're using there, but I can safely say that social media has zero impact on what I personally ride in trail terms; in fact the opposite, as I generally have little interest in the crap that passes for 'built' trails these days. I want steep tech and that's what I've enjoyed riding since I swung my leg over a bike, it's just what technology and my skills are capable of that's allowed me to do harder stuff. I push myself and have never been one to bow to peer pressure even when I was racing, and if I've built something it's because I've wanted to build it and ride it. Not everyone is being led. Some people cease to develop past a period in their life and that's fine. I get the love of old bikes, but let's not pretend they're incredible other than as a piece of history that brings back memories. And as to social media leading bike tech, I had a frame made with custom geo twelve years ago which had geo that is still my ideal; low BB, short back end, 64 deg head angle, 465 reach, 780 bars. At the time when I wrote an article about it on PB everyone said 'urgh, that's ridiculous', but guess what everyone's on now? If you don't get the benefits of modern bikes, that's fine, but modern bikes absolutely are better than anything we've ever had. Are they as bespoke or special? I'd say no, but what's wrong with off the shelf? The main issue with modern stuff is that people overbike themselves but, again, let's not assume that everyone on these big bikes is overbiked and not maximising what they're capable of.

Quiet! Nobody make a sound! No sudden moves! Shhhhh....

It's one of those Youtubers! See how they flow perfectly through the trails,on a digital 2026 prerelease! Dirt just isn't sticking! Wow! Such a rare sighting, look at that perfect chain line, and the chain! So shiny and chrome! See how a 2026 model really brings the trails alive!

We'll all feel inadequate now, our 2024 analog bikes are just, well, old shit.

Lads, there's no point in riding anything now

<chucks bike in hedge, throws helmet at Helmut>

Ow!

Sorry!

<clacks off to the pub, Spd cleats raising sparks, finds it closed down and boarded up, buys cheap cider from a newly opened Aldi, totters home, gets drunk, sprays one last blast of GT85, closes and locks the man cave for the final time... >
 
Some people want to bomb down World Cup style DH tracks, some people visit trail centres, some people want to kill themselves for an hour and a half on closed loops, some people want to bimble round bridleways.
Old bikes, new bikes, frankenbikes.
It's all valid and frankly who cares what others are doing as long as everyone's enjoying themselves.
My mountain biking is more mountain biking than your mountain biking is such a ridiculous thing.
Ride wherever and whatever makes you smile. 👍 😁
 
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