Pre 1997 date, how did that come about

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Surely the answers you're going to get on this are going to be really tightly correlated with the age of the posters?

For me personally, the era I'm most into is 1995-2010, which also happens to be where most of the music I listen to comes from, the movies I like most etc etc

1997 does seem like a good choice of cut off to me for "proper" retro, as there was a bit of a step change at that point.

However, for me a "classic" bike can come from any era, and anyone can appreciate good engineering, design, aesthetics and performance, without getting all het up about how to classify the era it came from.
 
Been trying that since it was created, modern stuff should be in off-topic where it belongs. It's off topic for a retrobike forum.
Call it 2010, as that the year 10speed was phased into mainstream use. Starting the era of the cog-wars and the ever-increasing number of front chainrings you can strap to the back cogs. It also happens to be when @benjabbi started here.
It's 98+ surely that encompasses everything that comes after?
Not sure what when I started here has to do with anything?
 
I’ve zero interest in 99+ bikes (apart from riding modern ). If you change the dates to allow the mid 00s stuff you would ruin what RB is all about in my opinion

If there is a demand for that era of bike then someone will do a forum.
But why split it (other than to say '98-08 and '08+)? This is the problem with cyclists everywhere; they're cliquey and want to believe the their clique is the one true important one. I ride road, DH, trail, in the mountains, on dirt jumps and occasionally the BMX too. I ride bikes of all sorts, all ages and in all places and have dug and repaired my fair share of trails. I like old bikes and I like new bikes. And I don't mean this as ill will towards anyone, but the more you divide the closer you get to a group of one and you end up with greater and greater insularity. Why would mid '00's stuff ruin RB? When I joined RB in 2007 the 1998+ section was the equivalent of 2016+ today. Why does one person's rose tinted glasses count for more than another's, and what exactly do you think would ruin the site? I mean this as a genuine question because I just don't understand your issue with that. I've been riding MTBs (of sorts, a 20" Ned Overend replica) since 1992 when I was 7 years old, and therefore my era is from the period I started reading MBUK avidly which was around '95. Do I like looking at earlier stuff? Sure. Is it my main interest? Not really. MTBs only really came into existence in the early eighties, especially commercially, and doubly so in the UK. So I've been riding MTBs for more than 75% of the existence of the sport. Yet apparently most of that isn't retro enough. I think what you actually want is 'Retrobike, the first ten years only'.

I'm on quite a few car forums and cliques always kill them, every single time. The successful ones are where there are sections and if you're not interested in that section then you just don't look at it. Into classic cars? Great. Into racing classic cars? Great. Into rallying classic cars? Also great. Want to just maintain it? Great. Want to modify it heavily with engine and driveline swaps? That's great too. Want pre-war? Awesome. Want post-war? Wonderful. Want modern classics like the stuff you saw in the eighties? 'Man, my dad had one of those when I was a kid'. Want nineties? 'Shit, I'm getting old, I remember when that was the latest thing, but that's really cool'. We all enjoy our hobbies in different ways, surely a site that doesn't cater for the latest marketing nonsense and instead is of interesting bikes that people have had in the past, restored or just always fancied is sufficient. There's more that unites us than divides us and yet, as humans the world over love to do, the focus is on the minutiae of difference to make it a wedge.
 
But why split it (other than to say '98-08 and '08+)? This is the problem with cyclists everywhere; they're cliquey and want to believe the their clique is the one true important one. I ride road, DH, trail, in the mountains, on dirt jumps and occasionally the BMX too. I ride bikes of all sorts, all ages and in all places and have dug and repaired my fair share of trails. I like old bikes and I like new bikes. And I don't mean this as ill will towards anyone, but the more you divide the closer you get to a group of one and you end up with greater and greater insularity. Why would mid '00's stuff ruin RB? When I joined RB in 2007 the 1998+ section was the equivalent of 2016+ today. Why does one person's rose tinted glasses count for more than another's, and what exactly do you think would ruin the site? I mean this as a genuine question because I just don't understand your issue with that. I've been riding MTBs (of sorts, a 20" Ned Overend replica) since 1992 when I was 7 years old, and therefore my era is from the period I started reading MBUK avidly which was around '95. Do I like looking at earlier stuff? Sure. Is it my main interest? Not really. MTBs only really came into existence in the early eighties, especially commercially, and doubly so in the UK. So I've been riding MTBs for more than 75% of the existence of the sport. Yet apparently most of that isn't retro enough. I think what you actually want is 'Retrobike, the first ten years only'.

I'm on quite a few car forums and cliques always kill them, every single time. The successful ones are where there are sections and if you're not interested in that section then you just don't look at it. Into classic cars? Great. Into racing classic cars? Great. Into rallying classic cars? Also great. Want to just maintain it? Great. Want to modify it heavily with engine and driveline swaps? That's great too. Want pre-war? Awesome. Want post-war? Wonderful. Want modern classics like the stuff you saw in the eighties? 'Man, my dad had one of those when I was a kid'. Want nineties? 'Shit, I'm getting old, I remember when that was the latest thing, but that's really cool'. We all enjoy our hobbies in different ways, surely a site that doesn't cater for the latest marketing nonsense and instead is of interesting bikes that people have had in the past, restored or just always fancied is sufficient. There's more that unites us than divides us and yet, as humans the world over love to do, the focus is on the minutiae of difference to make it a wedge.

But doesn't sections make it cliquey, because they're split
We have sections here,

MTB <=97,
Road incorporating Classic, Retro and 2000+ sections, because Roads bikes span millennia not just a few decades
98+ Bikes
BMX

then
Rides & Areas
and
General

I don't see what the problem is.

If someone want to post a 2005 DH bike, there is an area for them because we have sections here.
 
It's 98+ surely that encompasses everything that comes after?
Not sure what when I started here has to do with anything?
-It does, part of the conversation before it was to add a cut-off date.
-Coincidence

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Nothing will change with the forum unless John feels like it. Never has the hundreds of other times this comes up every year.
Too much hard work to worry about it.
 
But doesn't sections make it cliquey, because they're split
We have sections here,

MTB <=97,
Road incorporating Classic, Retro and 2000+ sections, because Roads bikes span millennia not just a few decades
98+ Bikes
BMX

then
Rides & Areas
and
General

I don't see what the problem is.

If someone want to post a 2005 DH bike, there is an area for them because we have sections here.
It was in response to @d8mok's suggestion that anything post '98 should just be on its own non-retrobike forum because he wasn't interested in it. I agree, I think sections make sense. Personally I think a later one too would also make sense (like '12+ or something like that), and if it was me I'd probably do it based on the advent of 11spd as that was the death sentence to the front derailleur which was quite a visible change, much like rim brakes to discs were earlier in history. However, at the end of the day almost all of the stuff being talked about and posted is out of date technology and stuff you can no longer buy spares for in the shops and thus ticks the 'retro' box, irrespective of any individual views on what counts as being retro enough.
 
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