Thanks for that, that's worth knowing. I'm not going to bash this Alan CX bike, just longer distance gravel riding, but I would like to try a few laps of the local lake, which is definitely 'demanding ' in places! Good stoppers are a must for lightweight off road bikes ime.Not tried the canti, but I do have the Mini Motos on my cross bike. I do lots of big hilly offroad rides with them and they are very powerful. A big chunk of money but they are super brakes - with the added benefit that they eliminate fork judder.