Norway

[highlandsflyer]

Kill him now. Don't let the coward live out his dream. The press should agree a blanket 'ignore'. Talk all about the victims, but spare not one word for the scum.

 

[tintin40]

Kill him now. Don't let the coward live out his dream. The press should agree a blanket 'ignore'. Talk all about the victims, but spare not one word for the scum.

For once i agree with you. He has lawyer and looking forward to 'his' day in court when he can explain his views on what he has done. The worst sentence a Norwegian court has given was 21 years so he will 55 when released. :shock:

I don't think Hungerford, Dunblane, Cumbria and the mass shooting in the USA compare to this as Terrorism as they were men having a bad day in the extreme and no political views were given as to why they did such terrible actions.

 

[JeRkY]

I dont think this is the time or the place to start in depth looking into this but I would be interested to understand the requirements that need to be in place to bring charges of terrorism over charges of mass (in this case to the extreme) murder.

 

[longun]

awful news,my thaughts go out to all effected :cry:

 

[highlandsflyer]

I dont think this is the time or the place to start in depth looking into this but I would be interested to understand the requirements that need to be in place to bring charges of terrorism over charges of mass (in this case to the extreme) murder.

Interesting question, but it is entirely down to the laws of Norway.

I have no idea, though it is something I studied in English law.

There are of course international definitions but this scum will be tried under Norwegian law.

I have a feeling the scum will be found guilty under standard murder procedure. Don't for a second think this scum will ever get released.

In a population of less than five million there is nowhere he is safe for even a year. The scum coward put his guns down as soon as he knew the game was up. His whole intent was to gain infamy, and he will revel in it.

They should let him go.

This is one case where, despite my liberal tendencies, I think the law will get in the way of justice.

 

[johnnypie13]

Kill him now. Don't let the coward live out his dream. The press should agree a blanket 'ignore'. Talk all about the victims, but spare not one word for the scum.

For once i agree with you. He has lawyer and looking forward to 'his' day in court when he can explain his views on what he has done. The worst sentence a Norwegian court has given was 21 years so he will 55 when released. :shock:

I don't think Hungerford, Dunblane, Cumbria and the mass shooting in the USA compare to this as Terrorism as they were men having a bad day in the extreme and no political views were given as to why they did such terrible actions.

i agree does anyone know if any of the people killed were from a different country america for example were the death penalty exists (extradition could be the answer)

 

[dbmtb]

Jurisdiction is complicated on this.

Rule of thumb is that if a crime has been committed in a country, then the crime will be prosecuted in that country, according to the laws of that country.

If the citizen of a country in which something is an offence commits that offence in a country in which it is not technically illegal, it MAY in some circumstances be possible for that country to prosecute its own citizen if the offence is sufficiently serious. This has been used in cases involving paedophile activities in asian countries.

Risk of the death penalty has been cited as a reason for countries to refuse to extradite to countries with capital punishment. Denmark has for example previously refused to extradite to the US for this reason. Technically it is a breach of EU human rights legislation, were a member state to extradite anyone if facing a capital charge.

Israel resolved these dilemmas by totally disregarding international law in the Eichmann kidnapping.

 

[highlandsflyer]

The way the press are building this up, constantly referring to the scum and his reasoning, what are all the kids he killed able to say?

He should have no voice, this is one time freedom of speech should not extend.

How absurd for us to told he is going to explain his actions, how unforgivable this all is for the dead and their kin.

Sickening, allowing this scum to have his dream.

I pray someone gets to him.

 

[Neil]

The way the press are building this up, constantly referring to the scum and his reasoning, what are all the kids he killed able to say?

He should have no voice, this is one time freedom of speech should not extend.

How absurd for us to told he is going to explain his actions, how unforgivable this all is for the dead and their kin.

Sickening, allowing this scum to have his dream.

I pray someone gets to him.

Well we are all entitled to our opinions over it.

I'd agree that as a result of his actions, freedom of speech and in general, freedom are rights that he has relinquished any claim over.

All that said, the baying for blood and hopes of mob retribution I find distasteful. That's not due to any leftie or liberal view (after all, that's not my political orientation). I think the full weight of the appropriate legal system should come to bear. And as you say in a previous post, this is a scenario where justice may never prevail. That is the second tragedy over this. All that said, I'm not entirely convinced there is any conceivable way to make justice fit.

The desire by many, for physical retribution, is a very natural, human emotion. From my experience, those left behind after trauma like this, aren't convincingly seeking violence and retribution. Maybe that's something that appeases or helps others. But from an efficacy or moral high-ground, is probably a poor fit. The concept that mob justice is either sound, or suitable deterrent or appropriate punishment, I feel is flawed - and is mere brinkmanship - the result, a zero-sum game.

Understanding why, I think is key - not just as a civilised, sanitised, and sterilised aloof response - but the why is key to possible future avoidance or prevention, and perhaps key to a punishment that has best chance of fitting the crime. Anything aggrandising or providing media forum or attention, I'd agree is probably what people like this seek (among other things), and I'd agree the concept of giving them that is abhorrent - which is something to learn and draw on, in how he's dealt with.

I just can't reconcile the reaction and demands that some display, in baying for blood and violence as a response - in many cases it's playing into their hands, and hasn't there really been enough of that?

 

[rienster]

Hi, Didn't see this until now? I live only 10 minutes away from where the explosion was. My girlfriend works just around the corner.
Fortunatly we are away on holiday.
Haven't been back in Oslo yet, but I imagine there's a weird atmosphere at the moment. I think the Norwegians feeling of being safe in their isolated little corner of the world has been rocked severly.
Be interesting to see how Norway will change over the coming months....
Very nice to see the messages of support from fellow retrobikers.
Cheers.