Mystery Peugeot

[non-fixie]

This is a Peugeot, a PY model and probably a Custom order from Peugeots equivalent of Raleigh SBDU ( Atelier Prestige ) I've had 70's Peugeots with such features. Peugeot made lots of VITUS steel most latterly 980 tubing ( for example the Mont Cenis model in the mid 80's ). I have a later Pro 10 on ebay at the moment with the same top tube internal brake cable routing.

I am by no means a Peugeot specialist, and you may well be right, but those Prugnat 62bis', the semi-wrapover seat stay style, and that fork crown (Ekla H?) are not details I recall having seen on Peugeots. Have you any pictures?

 

[CH27]

Hi,
This is very interesting and I'm loving the challenge of discovering what it is, with all your help!

I looked up Prugnat 62bis and Ekla H and these are an exact match for my frame and fork.

Seat tube is 28mm OD, seat post is Sakae 25.25mm OD. Both the fixed and adjustable crank cups are right-hand threads.

The paint on the frame is rock hard, normal stripper won't touch it. I've spoken to a local guy who owns a blasting shop and he says vapour blasting won't work, would have to be shot and this runs the risk of losing information such as the frame details stamped into the material, e.g. BUTTED. I might get him to just blast the lugs and do the straight tubes by hand to avoid losing information.

If the bike was a special build might it not have a frame number, or perhaps a self-adhesive number that has been lost?

Onward

 

[CH27]

Can anyone suggest where a frame number might be located, there's nothing on the BB.

 

[24pouces]

Bernard Thévenet PY10 ?

 

[non-fixie]

Hi,
This is very interesting and I'm loving the challenge of discovering what it is, with all your help!

I looked up Prugnat 62bis and Ekla H and these are an exact match for my frame and fork.

Seat tube is 28mm OD, seat post is Sakae 25.25mm OD. Both the fixed and adjustable crank cups are right-hand threads.

The paint on the frame is rock hard, normal stripper won't touch it. I've spoken to a local guy who owns a blasting shop and he says vapour blasting won't work, would have to be shot and this runs the risk of losing information such as the frame details stamped into the material, e.g. BUTTED. I might get him to just blast the lugs and do the straight tubes by hand to avoid losing information.

If the bike was a special build might it not have a frame number, or perhaps a self-adhesive number that has been lost?

Onward

Thank you. If it quacks and walks like a canard ...

The seatpost size strikes me as a bit odd. Not a common size, and a bit smaller than I would have expected. Could perhaps a 25.4 be made to fit by cleaning the inside of the tube and prying open the ears a bit?

I'd wait with the blasting and painting until you are sure the bike is not something rare and collectible, in which case a repaint would devalue it.

 

[non-fixie]

BTW, could you perhaps post pictures of the dropouts and fork ends? They might help with the identification. TIA.

 

[CH27]

Hi there, more images of the drop outs and fork ends, cable outer anchors too.

 

[non-fixie]

Thanks again!

I thought I saw fishmouths in one of the earlier pics. Crudely made, although that doesn't seem to say much in France about the quality of the bike. It does imply a factory build, rather than artisanal.

The dropouts are Simplex pattern Ref. 1752 & 1753. Made until 1973, AFIK.

Another thing I noticed is that the RD cable stop on the chainstay is located further forward than usual.

 

[torqueless]

Hi again, I did ask about this bike on the forum about a year ago and did get replies, one suggestion being it may be a cyclocross bike but nothing definitive. Maybe now with a different audience someone will recognise it? Things being as they are I didn't get to start the restoration of the frame and forks, everything else though has been cleaned and polished within an inch of its life!

You probably need to abandon hope of 'definitive'. Just over three years ago I identified this to you on here as likely being a Bertin cyclocross...probably early '70s. I probably should have done so without the sarcasm... (story of my life.)
The people who could give you a definitive answer about anything from the early '70s are on their way out of here..

 

[CH27]

Thank you all for the replies and advice. I've been unable to find a picture of a bike that has the features of this one so I think 'torqueless' is probably right and I should abandon hope of achieving this, afterall it may have been modified over the years and therefore be unique. However I will compete the restoration and paint it in a neutral colour. If I ever return to Gaiole I'll take it and park it up in the town with a note 'Cos'è questo?'
Happy cycling,
Chris.