Macbook batteries - only a grand!

[Neil]

Yet another[and we're inundated with them]reason to buy a windows based system.

The only thing I'm inundated with are requests from friends and family asking me to come round and fix their Windows PCs.

And if all you ever do is use them in a home environment, they are probably as good a choice as anythine else, really - albeit an expensive, trendy, skinny-jeans-and-aviators choice, mind.

Try and get them to fit into big iron, though, and they're more awkward than normal Unix or Linix OSs, and more awkward than Windows OSs.

They're just fine at sitting there, looking cool, browsing, and graphical work, though. Outside of that, though, and they're not enough of one thing or the other.

 

[Neil]

Or a good reason to buy a Mac desk top

Well good to look at, probably great as just an appliance.

Cool avatar, btw, ”What does the 'O' stand for?" - "Nothing."

 

[tintin40]

Or a good reason to buy a Mac desk top

Well good to look at, probably great as just an appliance.

Cool avatar, btw, ”What does the 'O' stand for?" - "Nothing."

Their is no O in Cary Grant???????

 

[Neil]

Or a good reason to buy a Mac desk top

Well good to look at, probably great as just an appliance.

Cool avatar, btw, ”What does the 'O' stand for?" - "Nothing."

Their is no O in Cary Grant???????

Watched North by Northwest much?

 

[JohnH]

Neil, I love the way you try to disguise your obvious distain for Macintoshes by attempting an "objective and detached" tone of voice...

And if all you ever do is use them in a home environment, they are probably as good a choice as anythine else, really...

The people whose Windows machines are refusing to boot would probably disagree with you there.

...albeit an expensive, trendy, skinny-jeans-and-aviators choice, mind.

Ahhh, the objectivity's slipping there Neil! As I've shown earlier in the thread, Macs don't need to be expensive. With a retro G3 machine, you can "dip your toe" into the OS X water for less than £10.

Try and get them to fit into big iron, though, and they're more awkward than normal Unix or Linix OSs, and more awkward than Windows OSs.

OS X is a descendent of BSD Unix which has been around since 1978.

In my Windows days, getting a PC to join a network involved ensuring that every computer on the network was a member of the same "workgroup", ensuring that every computer had a unique "workgroup name" and ensuring that all computers within the workgroup were using the same networking protocol (NetBEUI, TCP/IP, NetWare, etc...).

When I bought a Mac I discovered that getting an OS X machine to join a network involved plugging an ethernet cable into the RJ45 port and waiting about 7 seconds. Then it was networked.

They're just fine at sitting there, looking cool, browsing, and graphical work, though. Outside of that, though, and they're not enough of one thing or the other.

I don't really care how "cool" my Mac looks -- I need to use applications like OmniOutliner and Zengobi Curio which are invaluable to me and have no equivalent on other OSes.

 

[Neil]

Neil, I love the way you try to disguise your obvious distain for Macintoshes by attempting an "objective and detached" tone of voice...

And if all you ever do is use them in a home environment, they are probably as good a choice as anythine else, really...

The people whose Windows machines are refusing to boot would probably disagree with you there.

...albeit an expensive, trendy, skinny-jeans-and-aviators choice, mind.

Ahhh, the objectivity's slipping there Neil! As I've shown earlier in the thread, Macs don't need to be expensive. With a retro G3 machine, you can "dip your toe" into the OS X water for less than £10.

Try and get them to fit into big iron, though, and they're more awkward than normal Unix or Linix OSs, and more awkward than Windows OSs.

OS X is a descendent of BSD Unix which has been around since 1978.

In my Windows days, getting a PC to join a network involved ensuring that every computer on the network was a member of the same "workgroup", ensuring that every computer had a unique "workgroup name" and ensuring that all computers within the workgroup were using the same networking protocol (NetBEUI, TCP/IP, NetWare, etc...).

When I bought a Mac I discovered that getting an OS X machine to join a network involved plugging an ethernet cable into the RJ45 port and waiting about 7 seconds. Then it was networked.

They're just fine at sitting there, looking cool, browsing, and graphical work, though. Outside of that, though, and they're not enough of one thing or the other.

I don't really care how "cool" my Mac looks -- I need to use applications like OmniOutliner and Zengobi Curio which are invaluable to me and have no equivalent on other OSes.

Listen, you can object to my opinion on the subject as much as you like, but I've worked with countless different OSs over many years and have no true allegiances or loyalties, there.

My comments on integration are still salient - given context. Macs are not some panacea. For some people, they may be best fit. For others, a lifestyle or fashion thing. You may opine they are common sense - indeed, they may be for you.

But here's the thing that advocates never seem to get - they are simply no silver bullet. Perhaps for some they are ideal appliances, but in big environments they are largely an artifact, not sufficiently enough of one thing or the other, so require a fair degree of effort to make them play nice with other OSs or platforms.

 

[tintin40]

Or a good reason to buy a Mac desk top

Well good to look at, probably great as just an appliance.

Cool avatar, btw, ”What does the 'O' stand for?" - "Nothing."

Their is no O in Cary Grant???????

Watched North by Northwest much?

Once it was OK. Cary was excellent as he was no matter the film.

Concerning my comment on Mac desk top i should said any desk top. As i don't like laptops.

 

[Neil]

Cool avatar, btw, ”What does the 'O' stand for?" - "Nothing."

Their is no O in Cary Grant???????

Watched North by Northwest much?

Once it was OK. Cary was excellent as he was no matter the film.

Ok?

Harsh, tough room.

It's probably my fave of his films - and you have to say, several of the scenes and stills are iconic.

 

[bryan555]

So why do all those cool types with their Macs look so smug?
Probably because they work.

Our set-up at work is 40% PC and 60% Mac (discounting servers).

PC Steve looks after the PCs, Mac Mark looks after the Macs.

PC Steve is a familiar site in the office, he'll be fixing something every couple of weeks. Mac Mark pops in for a coffee now and then. He also looks after the (Mac) servers.

The upfront cost of the Macs is a lot more, but they are more efficient to run, and FAR more powerful. The PCs are OK for admin stuff and looking at the internet, and spreadsheets, and even then they fall over frequently.

The Macs do the real work.

This won't be the case for everyone, but in my experience you get what you pay for.

I don't see why some people are so down on Apple. If you don't want one, don't buy one.

 

[JohnH]

Listen, you can object to my opinion on the subject as much as you like...

I haven't objected to your opinion once. I merely joked that you have an opinion, while trying to disguise yourself as the objective observer.

My comments on integration are still salient - given context. Macs are not some panacea. For some people, they may be best fit. For others, a lifestyle or fashion thing. You may opine they are common sense - indeed, they may be for you.

Fine. I only commented on this thread to set the record straight. Mac owners seem to do a lot of that, given the quantity of people on the web who freely offer their opinion of the Apple Mac despite never having used one.

But here's the thing that advocates never seem to get - they are simply no silver bullet. Perhaps for some they are ideal appliances, but in big environments they are largely an artifact, not sufficiently enough of one thing or the other, so require a fair degree of effort to make them play nice with other OSs or platforms.

For the average hairy-arsed RetroBiker, concerns about integrating their desktop into a "big environment" is probably less of a concern than just having a computer that reliably boots and connects to the net with the smallest possible chance of malware infection.