Loosing the outer crank ring

jgjones095

Old School Hero
I know that some new bikes seem to come with 11x1 or 11x2 setups there days from what I've seen and most people seem to like this concept but does involve some cost in converting older drivechains
I'm sure the rear cassette gearing is all setup in a way to help maximise ratios.

What disadvantage is there of covering a typical 8x3 or 9x3 to 8x2 or 9x2 by loosing the outer ring or even a 8x1 or 9x1?
I'm considering this for a build of mine.

Back in the day my dmr sidekick trials bike (of which I still have) ran a 7x1 albeit with a very low gearing.

Is there a gear calculator somewhere to help workout these things?
 
I've always liked the simplicity of 1x drivetrains on MTBs. There are compromises to be made in terms of outright gear availability, and it's difficult to predict just how right you'll get your chainring and cassette selection first-time from using gear calculators alone, but I believe the compromises are worth it for a simpler drivetrain. Little organic changes will take place in your riding after you make the switch to 1x, and there's no substitute for riding to figure out what those changes will be. It might be tyres, routes you take, all kinds of stuff.

For commuting on tarmac, I ran a single 46T ring and a 9-speed 12-25T cassette for many years. Tyres were 26x1.0.

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For dirt, snow and climbing off-road, I've gone for a single 32T ring and a 10-speed 11-36T cassette. Tyres are 26x2.2.

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In the end your own fitness will be a big deciding factor. Trying to imagine how the jumps in the cassette feel when you've been used to shifting through two or three chainrings is quite difficult without just doing it. P'raps try riding your bike for a week or two with the chain left on the middle or outer ring (depending on what kind of riding you do), and see how you get on.
The bonuses of 1x (to me) are:
- less weight
- less work
It's not for everyone.

Regarding 'converting' your bike to 1x; It's not rocket science. You don't need a ton of new parts. If your chainline's good, you may not need anything single-speed specific apart from chainring bolts. To get started just take off your front mech/cable/shifter and some chainrings and ride the damn thing. If it drops the chain, examine why and try to fix it. It may involve moving say an outer chainring into the middle, or swapping your BB out for a different axle length (if still on square-taper).
I know SRAM and co are trying to make a fast buck from new 'special' 1x groupsets right now, but outside race environments the average punter won't really notice the difference.
I will say this; I struggled a little with chain retention on my 1x9 setup - it would occasionally throw the chain outwards when shifting into the 12T cog. The chain would land on my shoe, and I learned to put it back on with my foot whilst pedalling.
I wear slightly nicer shoes these days, so in the interests of chain retention for my 1x10 setup I've gone the way of the 'Shadow Plus' (Clutch) rear derailleur. It's brilliant. Maintains chain tension even when you ride down a flight of stairs (which I did, on a test ride today).
The other modern aid is the 'Narrow-Wide' chainring. I wish they'd made those 15 years ago, they look brilliant.
 
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I recently swapped my Marin to a 1x9, using the existing crankset and square taper BB. I spent a while working out what gears I needed on my normal routes with the 3x8 and came to a conclusion that with my new 11 - 34T cassette I needed a 37 tooth chainring.

Being cheap I bought a steel 38 tooth chainring from ebay that came with an alloy bash guard, chainring bolts and spacers all for £10 delivered. Chainring mounted where the middle ring was and bash guard where the big ring was, one set of spacers used to prevent the chain hitting the bash guard when on the 11tooth.

It all works great, but on one regular hill I have to work harder than I desire. Having sized it all up on the cheap I now have a 36T Zee ring on its way to me, I will retain the bashguard spacers and bolts though ;).
 
what bashguard is it? this was my plan i was thinking of a dmr ring thing.
possibly keep a x2 setup on the front as im unfit!
 
I'm running a 32t narrow-wide ring with a nine speed 11-34 cassette and XTR M950 med. cage derailleur. It's clean, light, and the chain never drops, even without using a clutch derailleur.
 
jgjones095":c6z8a6gz said:
what bashguard is it? this was my plan i was thinking of a dmr ring thing.
possibly keep a x2 setup on the front as im unfit!

This is the one I bought.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201470918539? ... EBIDX%3AIT

I am loving my 1x setup, in fact I am out on it now (just stopped for refreshments at the Local :)). For £10 buy the above and give it a go, nothing to loose and when you do splash out £40 on that fancy thick thin chainring you will be sure it is right for you.

 
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Sorry I only looked for 4 bolt.

My Marin is a work in progress, tomorrow it goes on a diet with Easton Monkey carbon bars and post and a lovely Marzocchi corsa Super Leggera fork. Should loose a kilo at least. Powder coat is next.
 
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