It's kicking off in London...
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sgw":3eib2dki said:
No, but it does qualify you to dismiss opinions I hold but which you've found through your own experience to be wrong.
The greatest pressure though is the understandable desperation to achieve an acceptable standard of living and hold on to it. I can tell you, also from my experience that questioning the status quo is a definite drawback in achieving that goal. You may come to realise this as you get older.
You're making massive and incorrect assumptions about my opinions. I have no problem at all with questioning many aspects of the "status quo" and rejecting those which conflict with my beliefs. You can disagree with me all you like - I'm not necessarily wrong, any more than youngsters are necessarily wrong in all their opinions; the point I was making and stand by is that their opinions are entirely untested and hold almost no value for the rest of society.
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I do believe somewhere earlier in this thread someone popped their head in the playroom and advised us kids to play nice or the door would be locked.
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Must admit that I watched the protests and thought every one of them looked like a student.
Good on 'em I say. At least they seem to have a bit of fight left in them. The more people that sit by and take every shafting the government of the day hands out the more shafted we all become.
As I see it the top Uni's will become as elitest as they've always wanted to be as the poorer (no matter how clever) will not be able to afford to attend.
I thought the Lib Dems were against this?
Good on 'em I say. At least they seem to have a bit of fight left in them. The more people that sit by and take every shafting the government of the day hands out the more shafted we all become.
As I see it the top Uni's will become as elitest as they've always wanted to be as the poorer (no matter how clever) will not be able to afford to attend.
I thought the Lib Dems were against this?
I've been away for so long that it's pretty unforgiveable for me to have an opinion about this but....
For what it's worth...
Current government is made up of people about my age.
These people had
1) Free education
2) Student grant that you could just about live off if you worked your arse off in the holidays and could live with a bit of debt after you graduated.
After my degree in the UK and a decade on the labour market, I embarked upon a law degree at Copenhagen Uni. Again - no fees. Grant in excess of UK levels. Not enough to live on but possibility of top-up loan. And benefit if you lived in rented accommodation. I owned my own flat and had to make do with standard grant so I dropped out after 3 years as it was clear to me that regardless of motivation, it would take 20 years to earn back the costs of the top-up-loan after qualifying and even then only if I was willing to work the 60+ hour week ratrace - so I went back to work. These costs were a lot lower than those proposed by current government for current and future undergraduates.
It seems that the current political dogma is "do as we say not as we did".Hypocrites the lot of them.
It amazes me that successive administrations have pushed for increased access to higher education, which has led to it being dumbed-down and what has become an untenable situation. As I recall we can't just blame Labour for this - it was already starting in the days of John Major. It's an international disease called "keeping up with third world countries that are upping themselves."
My heart goes out to the lot of you and I am so so glad that my kids are danish citizens.
For what it's worth...
Current government is made up of people about my age.
These people had
1) Free education
2) Student grant that you could just about live off if you worked your arse off in the holidays and could live with a bit of debt after you graduated.
After my degree in the UK and a decade on the labour market, I embarked upon a law degree at Copenhagen Uni. Again - no fees. Grant in excess of UK levels. Not enough to live on but possibility of top-up loan. And benefit if you lived in rented accommodation. I owned my own flat and had to make do with standard grant so I dropped out after 3 years as it was clear to me that regardless of motivation, it would take 20 years to earn back the costs of the top-up-loan after qualifying and even then only if I was willing to work the 60+ hour week ratrace - so I went back to work. These costs were a lot lower than those proposed by current government for current and future undergraduates.
It seems that the current political dogma is "do as we say not as we did".Hypocrites the lot of them.
It amazes me that successive administrations have pushed for increased access to higher education, which has led to it being dumbed-down and what has become an untenable situation. As I recall we can't just blame Labour for this - it was already starting in the days of John Major. It's an international disease called "keeping up with third world countries that are upping themselves."
My heart goes out to the lot of you and I am so so glad that my kids are danish citizens.
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