Is it worth putting NOS kit on?
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hennahairgel
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Without the bar ends, I could get the spacing for the grips and levers correct.
Farmfield
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Sometimes reality just is to weird, hehe...Dr S":31mxp8uc said:
But I don't agree about the 'impossability' (*) to recreate a XTR M900 rear derailleur, 3D-printers are in their earliest steps and there are some pretty weird scientific research concerning materials going on - what I say it's just a matter of time until you'll print the alu-parts (or at least alu-looking composites) part by part & there you are...
(*) it is of course possible, but would be stupidly expensive, but my point being that will change as new tech evolves...
We do? I missed that...jez-4-bikes-max":31mxp8uc said:
If you enjoy riding an old bike more than riding a modern one, how is it 'better'?
'Better' is often a question of point of view... A ten year old Nokia with connection (service) is better than an Iphone without connectoin if you really need to make a phonecall...
jez-4-bikes-max
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No, they are better to ride. Period. Evolution.
Ask about. I heard on the grapevine.
Besides - your argument suggests that a retrobike with a chain is superior than a modern bike with no chain attached.
Well, yes of course it is.
Ask about. I heard on the grapevine.
Besides - your argument suggests that a retrobike with a chain is superior than a modern bike with no chain attached.
Well, yes of course it is.
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I guess it depends on how you get your proverbial kicks on a bike - I'm with Jez though, with the possible exception of a grave shortage of anodised components (although hat tip to RaceFace for bringing back a rainbow of anodised cranks and bars for 09/10), the modern MTB comprehensively skins any retrobike alive (regardless of discipline) in terms of sheer capability.
Case in point - my LTS is pretty much the same on paper as my modern ride, a Cannondale Prophet - both have wide bars, flatties, short stems, roughly the same travel (ish) and weight about 30lbs. I'll even grant that the LTS has a competion pedigree that the Dale will never have. I've had the LTS for 11 years, and the Dale for two, so I know em both pretty well, but the GT, in pure performance terms, doesn't stand a chance. It just can't do what the Dale can.
Thing is though - it's not all about jumping further / dropping farther / riding faster etc. When I get on the GT I don't expect it to be as technically proficient as the Dale - no more so than the owner of the 250 GTO (or my own personal fav, the SWB) would expect it to outperform their new Veyron.
Riding the GT demands a different skillset, and it rewards in a different way. Is it better than the Dale then? Or my rigid Clockwork? Nope, not better, not worse, just different.
So, in response to Kaiser - do modern bikes excite as much to ride / own as a retro one? In terms of what they let you do, if you want to push their limits, then yes, no doubt. In terms of other characteristics (such as the buzz of finding some long sought after part, or the childish excitement of randomly running into another 1991 Karakorum when in the centre of London one day - or of course the additional challenges a retrobike provides in terms of making you do more of the work yourself), then no, modern bikes just don't cut it in that respect.
In other words, in the great modern vs retro debate - we're not really comparing like with like.
Kaiser wrote
I guess it depends on how you get your proverbial kicks on a bike - I'm with Jez though, with the possible exception of a grave shortage of anodised components (although hat tip to RaceFace for bringing back a rainbow of anodised cranks and bars for 09/10), the modern MTB comprehensively skins any retrobike alive (regardless of discipline) in terms of sheer capability.
Case in point - my LTS is pretty much the same on paper as my modern ride, a Cannondale Prophet - both have wide bars, flatties, short stems, roughly the same travel (ish) and weight about 30lbs. I'll even grant that the LTS has a competion pedigree that the Dale will never have. I've had the LTS for 11 years, and the Dale for two, so I know em both pretty well, but the GT, in pure performance terms, doesn't stand a chance. It just can't do what the Dale can.
Thing is though - it's not all about jumping further / dropping farther / riding faster etc. When I get on the GT I don't expect it to be as technically proficient as the Dale - no more so than the owner of the 250 GTO (or my own personal fav, the SWB) would expect it to outperform their new Veyron.
Riding the GT demands a different skillset, and it rewards in a different way. Is it better than the Dale then? Or my rigid Clockwork? Nope, not better, not worse, just different.
So, in response to Kaiser - do modern bikes excite as much to ride / own as a retro one? In terms of what they let you do, if you want to push their limits, then yes, no doubt. In terms of other characteristics (such as the buzz of finding some long sought after part, or the childish excitement of randomly running into another 1991 Karakorum when in the centre of London one day - or of course the additional challenges a retrobike provides in terms of making you do more of the work yourself), then no, modern bikes just don't cut it in that respect.
In other words, in the great modern vs retro debate - we're not really comparing like with like.
*Sets out soap box and takes a step up*
Ahem, ahem, for what it's worth here's my view.
If you enjoy owning the parts in mint un-used condition then don't ride them. There have been photographs of beautiful collections of stuff displayed in peoples homes shown here, beats decorating your living room with porcelain flying ducks and figurines.
If you enjoy riding them then do so.
If you want to ride that new old bike you always lusted after as a kid there's only one way to do it, source it all new and un-used, build it up and live your dream!
Thank you for your time.
*Steps down from soap box, slips and lands on arse.*
Ahem, ahem, for what it's worth here's my view.
If you enjoy owning the parts in mint un-used condition then don't ride them. There have been photographs of beautiful collections of stuff displayed in peoples homes shown here, beats decorating your living room with porcelain flying ducks and figurines.
If you enjoy riding them then do so.
If you want to ride that new old bike you always lusted after as a kid there's only one way to do it, source it all new and un-used, build it up and live your dream!
Thank you for your time.
*Steps down from soap box, slips and lands on arse.*
