torqueless
Senior Retro Guru
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Just bumping this to say that although I am as wary as he is of making assumptions, I would regard OldTel's frame as further evidence that a 'Holdsworth' that returned to the shop for a respray after 1975 would become a 'Roy Thame'.
Shaun/Midlife stated that he was sure the paint job on his 'Roy Thame' was not professional. In the case of that frame, here is a likely scenario: The frame started out as a Holdsworth Cronometro. Some time after 1975 it returned to the shop for a respray and became a 'Roy Thame'. Some more years passed and the frame was again repainted, possibly by a new owner, an 'amateur' painter, in the paint it wears now, and, quite logically in such circumstances, he applied a fresh set of 'Roy Thame' decals.
Back earlier in this thread Dave you were lamenting the lack of 5 digit serials with a '0' in third position? The Roy Thame I just mentioned on the other thread is one.. a 750** rather than a 690**, though, admittedly.
And then there is my own frame K75013R.. which leads me to ask the question: Was the use of a 'K' prefix to denote a 'stock' frame a convention peculiar to the Holdsworth shop, or did other shops also use the 'K' prefix for this purpose?
Oh.. and thanks to OldTel we get to see a putative Reg Collard fork steerer number, and no.. they are not stacked like they are on the BB.
Just bumping this to say that although I am as wary as he is of making assumptions, I would regard OldTel's frame as further evidence that a 'Holdsworth' that returned to the shop for a respray after 1975 would become a 'Roy Thame'.
Shaun/Midlife stated that he was sure the paint job on his 'Roy Thame' was not professional. In the case of that frame, here is a likely scenario: The frame started out as a Holdsworth Cronometro. Some time after 1975 it returned to the shop for a respray and became a 'Roy Thame'. Some more years passed and the frame was again repainted, possibly by a new owner, an 'amateur' painter, in the paint it wears now, and, quite logically in such circumstances, he applied a fresh set of 'Roy Thame' decals.
Back earlier in this thread Dave you were lamenting the lack of 5 digit serials with a '0' in third position? The Roy Thame I just mentioned on the other thread is one.. a 750** rather than a 690**, though, admittedly.
And then there is my own frame K75013R.. which leads me to ask the question: Was the use of a 'K' prefix to denote a 'stock' frame a convention peculiar to the Holdsworth shop, or did other shops also use the 'K' prefix for this purpose?
Oh.. and thanks to OldTel we get to see a putative Reg Collard fork steerer number, and no.. they are not stacked like they are on the BB.
It's funny... this white 'n' red and orange 'n' blue seems in both cases to possibly pre-date Mr. Merckx's Faemas and Moltenis.. almost as if he was taking his colour cues from Holdsworth..
