Hi ! What is this bates bike??? Im new to the site. I thought this might be the right place to get some advice.

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Sorry for your loss. Your Dad had great taste Don't know what the red frame is. The wheelbase will be short though, which is why the seat tube is moved forwards and braced. For that purpose, 30/40s looking at the fittings. A few makers did similar things to shorten wheelbase, Baines, Waller, Claud Butler, Jack Taylor to name a few, I've not seen that style before though. Any numbers or stamping? Would need sharp picture of the lugs, b/b, fork crown, drop outs and fork ends.

 

[Davidbarberkov1984]

Sorry for your loss. Your Dad had great taste Don't know what the red frame is. The wheelbase will be short though, which is why the seat tube is moved forwards and braced. For that purpose, 30/40s looking at the fittings. A few makers did similar things to shorten wheelbase, Baines, Waller, Claud Butler, Jack Taylor to name a few, I've not seen that style before though. Any numbers or stamping? Would need sharp picture of the lugs, b/b, fork crown, drop outs and fork ends.

No problem .I shall try and get better pics of all the gear tomorrow and post them on here. It seems I have come to the right place. Comments from some cycle clever connoisseurs. My old man would've loved it here!!!
Sleep well sir(s)!!! And thankyou again for any advice/guidance

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

No problem .I shall try and get better pics of all the gear tomorrow and post them on here. It seems I have come to the right place. Comments from some cycle clever connoisseurs. My old man would've loved it here!!!
Sleep well sir(s)!!! And thankyou again for any advice/guidance

You're welcome. Welcome to Retro Bike

 

[Davidbarberkov1984]

C.Barber was my dad, Clive

Have you got a picture of the bike with C.Barber on it please?

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Have you got a picture of the bike with C.Barber on it please?

Think they are these @3wheeler7

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/frame-identification-anyone.457549/

 

[3wheeler7]

Yes, that's correct, the blue and red one at the front has C Barber on the top tube.

 

[bagpuss]

Re the short wheel base frame {Brown } Sun Manx tt is another possibility .
Picture of mine below . Only 200 of these were made .

https://flic.kr/p/d4qaRW

https://flic.kr/p/d4q271

List of Sun frame numbers here .


The Bates is a lovely classic bicycle .

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Re the short wheel base frame {Brown } Sun Manx tt is another possibility .
Picture of mine below . Only 200 of these were made .

https://flic.kr/p/d4qaRW

https://flic.kr/p/d4q271

List of Sun frame numbers here .
View attachment 734855

The Bates is a lovely classic bicycle .

I think you've nailed it Paul I had a Sun with stays but conventional seat tube the Manxman. The OP has a very rare frame then.

 

[Davidbarberkov1984]

Re the short wheel base frame {Brown } Sun Manx tt is another possibility .
Picture of mine below . Only 200 of these were made .

https://flic.kr/p/d4qaRW

https://flic.kr/p/d4q271

List of Sun frame numbers here .
View attachment 734855

The Bates is a lovely classic bicycle .

Wow!!!!!!! That is a striking looking machine. Fantastic. And thankyou for paying an interest, sir.
Unfortunately the 4 digit number is lost under the respray as with the others. Is it worth trying to uncover these serial numbers.....just for curiosity?

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Wow!!!!!!! That is a striking looking machine. Fantastic. And thankyou for paying an interest, sir.
Unfortunately the 4 digit number is lost under the respray as with the others. Is it worth trying to uncover these serial numbers.....just for curiosity?

I think if you were careful you could pick the paint off and get a date. I'm convinced @bagpuss has it right.