EU, impartial facts. Where to find
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No idea and don't hope for any sensible answer here. Sadly this thread hasn't had many meaningful contributions or factual evidence to help undecided voters which way to swing.
Many will be voting based on lies, ill informed judgements and possibly worst of all, emotions.
Congratulations UK, you've exceeded the usual blinkered islander view of the world.
God willing or whatever you do or don't believe in, sense prevails tomorrow.
No idea and don't hope for any sensible answer here. Sadly this thread hasn't had many meaningful contributions or factual evidence to help undecided voters which way to swing.
Many will be voting based on lies, ill informed judgements and possibly worst of all, emotions.
Congratulations UK, you've exceeded the usual blinkered islander view of the world.
God willing or whatever you do or don't believe in, sense prevails tomorrow.
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Woz":1bz9me9g said:
The aftermath of the Scottish referendum was a massive increase for support for the party who proposed it, and many consider the Westminster cronies hoodwinked the floating voters with their promises that turned out to be lies.
I hardly see it as a waste of time to offer democratic choice to the people of a country. The result was close enough to suggest the matter needed a vote.
Of course people feel happy to have a mass consensus for their views, but there is a limit.
History shows us how dangerous it is to effectively allow mob rule.
Hard to say. But I've been keeping an eye on the economies of southern Europe -- and the outlook isn't good.02gf74":3nujx70s said:
The Independent (which happens to be pro-Remain) published a piece 2 days ago called "Why Italy's Economy is About to Collapse" -- http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 91221.html
British investor Jim Mellon says that the UK will be forced to help bail out France and Italy when they go belly up (2 min, 45 secs)...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/videos/u ... vi-AAhr2Db
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There are so many complex forces at work in this issue, most of them negative, all influenced by a nasty propaganda campaign on both sides to some degree. That's the way politics is nowadays, it can bring the worst out of people. Labelling opposition nasty names to deflect away from the real issues of concern is abhorrent. Reasoned debate should always be promulgated.
The issues are far too complex and data suppressed for most people who will vote IMO. People just want simple reasons to vote one way or the other. The only way to give people that, seems to be to reduce things down to basic emotions like fear and hate. How sad.
Out of our 73 UK MEPs on £150k pa + perks, some 28 are voting to leave and put themselves out of a job. That should make you think if nothing else does.
Have a good day voting tomorrow all and it's been a stimulating thread. I used to be so bored of Politics most of my life but the last 10 or so years have really opened my eyes. Wish I hadn't studied George Orwell's 1984 for O' Level.
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There are so many complex forces at work in this issue, most of them negative, all influenced by a nasty propaganda campaign on both sides to some degree. That's the way politics is nowadays, it can bring the worst out of people. Labelling opposition nasty names to deflect away from the real issues of concern is abhorrent. Reasoned debate should always be promulgated.
The issues are far too complex and data suppressed for most people who will vote IMO. People just want simple reasons to vote one way or the other. The only way to give people that, seems to be to reduce things down to basic emotions like fear and hate. How sad.
Out of our 73 UK MEPs on £150k pa + perks, some 28 are voting to leave and put themselves out of a job. That should make you think if nothing else does.
Have a good day voting tomorrow all and it's been a stimulating thread. I used to be so bored of Politics most of my life but the last 10 or so years have really opened my eyes. Wish I hadn't studied George Orwell's 1984 for O' Level.
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I studied, most recently, human rights, effectively law and politics. One of the main areas of interest was the EU and the Human Rights Act, etc. and how it related to the ECHR, etc.
The one thing I am totally flabbergasted by is the way this whole debate had avoided the real issue.
Immigration is NOT the important thing, we are all being played.
Classic divide and rule.
The real issue here is that a group of faceless stooges are segueing our fairly transparent, if-not-perfect, decision making into anti democratic, secretive, interests based process.
Furk the EU!
The one thing I am totally flabbergasted by is the way this whole debate had avoided the real issue.
Immigration is NOT the important thing, we are all being played.
Classic divide and rule.
The real issue here is that a group of faceless stooges are segueing our fairly transparent, if-not-perfect, decision making into anti democratic, secretive, interests based process.
Furk the EU!
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it is to a lot of people.highlandsflyer":103lirgk said:
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still haven't decided to be honest,
but this pretty much sums up my view
NSFW by the way
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpM8xOFvtSg[/youtube]
still haven't decided to be honest,
but this pretty much sums up my view
NSFW by the way
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpM8xOFvtSg[/youtube]
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