EU, impartial facts. Where to find

[hamster]

Interesting thought: UK unemployment AND workforce participation are at the highest level since 2005.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36536432
So exactly whose jobs are being taken by immigrants? If they were taking jobs, then unemployment would be rising or static and labour participation rates would be lower...

 

[brocklanders023]

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I guess my biggest fear is that we exit and then the tories win the next election. The damage they could do doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[technodup]

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I guess my biggest fear is that we exit and then the tories win the next election. The damage they could do doesn't bear thinking about.

If we exit you can pretty much guarantee it. In fact it's pretty much guaranteed either way with Corbyn at the helm.

Labour are switching to the SNP and UKIP because the Labour party no longer represents their interests. They are the ones most affected by immigration, the low paid work, the housing, the NHS etc.

 

[brocklanders023]

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We'll see about labour. What I do know is that the current mob are causing damage and if gove, Johnson and ids get in to power things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of people. Add to that the extra power they would feel they had if leave win and the result makes me wince.

That's my biggest draw towards remain.

 

[firedfromthecircus]

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This thread helps though as many of the out there brexit mob have shared views on here in the past that have been the direct opposite of my own so my gut tells me to run the other way.

 

[technodup]

I wasn't that fussed initially, it didn't grab me the same as the Scottish one did. But the campaigning from Remain which essentially says we can't sort ourselves out and we need their 'help' has pushed me away. The UK isn't Scotland.

That and the huge democratic deficit, their treatment of other member states (which could be us in future), the additional layers of bureaucracy, the currency disaster, the waste, the intention to create a superstate, the ridiculous notion that we should be open to anyone who wants to come, the fact that nowhere else is undertaking such a project, the fact that the EU is a small part of a big world...

 

[hamster]

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I guess my biggest fear is that we exit and then the tories win the next election. The damage they could do doesn't bear thinking about.

And indeed the Tories are likely to face civil war inside the party as the Brexit debate has hardly been amicable.

I wonder if an entirely new party combining the social democratic wings of both Labour and Tories could appear in time from the mess. Think a combination of Ken Clark meets David Miliband...leaving the unelectable nutters on both sides playing to their core voters.

Might not be a bad outcome; the problem is the 5+ years in between.

 

[M-Power]

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We'll see about labour. What I do know is that the current mob are causing damage and if gove, Johnson and ids get in to power things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of people. Add to that the extra power they would feel they had if leave win and the result makes me wince.

That's my biggest draw towards remain.

Look at what's happening in vive la republique France, a socialist government disaster now forced to repeal long held labour laws giving a right to a job for life and the reduced 35h week. Great in principal but the World and labour markets are in a constant dynamic flux, cheaper outsourcing always wins. The country is practically in meltdown. Makes the 2011 riots seem like a playground scuffle by comparison and it's going to get a lot worse as more altruistic groups jockey for political power. Who wants that in the UK ? Similar things happened in Greece, a vast number of Public Sector workers retiring at 50 on huge pensions. Even the Chinese Economics minister came on TV and said it was a crazy and unsustainable..cue social unrest.

The problem with the EU is it's a Hobson's choice, it's their way of the fing highway. That's just wrong. The majority of European's most likey don't want much of their Elite's policy these days but have no way of making their voices really heard.

 

[highlandsflyer]

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I have to agree with Technoduped, Corbyn renders Labour unelectable. Rotten teeth do not a leader in waiting make.

I would take issue with the suggestion Labour is the party of the low paid, blah, blah, blah.

The votes are all up for grabs these days, more than any time I can remember.

No party really needs to worry about traditional zombie voting.

Very sad to hear the beautiful, principled woman who fought so hard for her beliefs today was lost, presumably in an act motivated by blind hatred. We don't know yet, but what a terrible loss.

 

[kingbling]

Amen to that Flyer may she rest in peace