Electronic cigarettes

[chambo34]

I failed at the hypnotherapy because of my 'above average' iq

You smoke FFS. Where's your IQ when you need it?

Too busy gaining qualifications
So thats Dyna-Ti RMHI to you Peasants

Guess you're gonna quit at 25 or 30 " before it has chance to harm me" or maybe "with my lifestyle I'll never see 30" perhaps you think " I could get hit by a bus tomorrow" seriously mate get a life and really try quitting, fags are for losers, you can cope without your little white emotional crutches!

and as for "]

I failed at the hypnotherapy because of my 'above average' iq

thats like "60% of the time it works everytime"

Excellent post
:roll:

Perhaps you should actually read things properly.
I understand how it works and because of that it didnt work.

All i wanted was some advice but it seems the trolls are taking over.I couldnt give a rats ass if some are so anti smoking that any smoker even one attempting to quit receives abuse for being a smoker in the first place.


UPDATE -Looking at the replies again im still unsure if thats advice or hassle

Not trolling mate and no abuse meant, it's just that someone told me similar years ago and it was true ...just that we can't always see it or berlieve it at the time...every smoker thinks they are individual and they're not ...same ideas, same hooks, same triggers, same excuses....yes I am anti smoking as it's a crap habit perpetuated by big tobacco who brow beat and con kids into starting it, they sell a deadly product and know it and the idea of I am a grown up it's up to me what I do doesn't really wash as the overwhelming majority of smokers start between 11-15, ie not adult no life experience....serious big up on trying to quit but don't give yourself excuses as to why you won't quit before you start.

Also not an anti smoking Nazi, in fact I keep my gob shut about smoking much of the time but when people ask advice about smoking and I know I have good faithful and true advice I give it being an ex smoker doesn't come into it.

 

[chambo34]

Maybe I'm just a cynical old bugger, but with more people giving up (can't smoke in most places these days), has the tax revenue from tobacco now reduced, despite the increase in duty on a packet of cigarettes? (Depends on the price elasticity of demand I guess).

If that is the case, is there a link to the ridiculous rises in fuel duty over the last few years as successive govts attempt to recoup the lost revenue?

here you go from the World Health Organisation; "While the taxation of tobacco in the United Kingdom contributes around £10 billion annualy, the overall economic costs of tobacco use to society have been estimated to be £13.74 billion. These societal costs comprise not only treatment of smoking-related illness but also the loss in productivity from smoking breaks and increased absenteeism, the costs of cleaning up cigarette butts and fighting smoking-related house fires, and the loss of economic output from people who die from diseases related to smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke."

figures have gone up a bit since then 2007? to currently about 12.1 Billion gained in taxation and roughly 18 billion in costs of treatment etc!

links here;
http://www.euro.who.int/en/what-we-do/h ... -cessation

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publicati ... m-tobacco/

 

[dyna-ti]

Well thank you for the replies and advice on the problems associated with smoking ciggies though as an adult these dangers are known to me as are the dangers of daily intake of supermarket ready meals.

As in my first post i am willing nay happy to give up all of the associated risks from the tar aspect.Personally i dont think nicotine is that dangerous in itself when taken in small controlled doses,obviously in quantity it is lethal as is alcohol,salt etc etc.

Maybe im not making myself clear and thats causing confusion.
Ive been smoking for some 25-30 years
My lungs contain tar
I want to clear out my lungs but to do so would mean either stopping all smoking which it is agreed is incredibly hard for some or partly stopping smoking which i am hoping isnt so hard to do if the Electronic cigarette does what it is supposed to.THEN when i feel comfortable that ive achieved that i can try nicotine replacement
I have stated i have tried many methods but i have failed at them all,including some pretty potent prescription drugs that i had to stop as they were beginning to make dangerous psychological changes to my reasoning.

So whats my next step? try again and possibly fail as i have done many times before or look for possibly another solution.
I see the 'other' solution as the E ciggie.POSSIBLY
It may work and then again it may not but i cant see why i shouldnt try all the same
Maybe it will be the answer im seeking maybe that answer lies elsewhere,who knows for sure as everyone is an individual so therefore everyone is different and what works worked for one doesnt necessarily work for others.


We mostly drink,and im assuming that included everyone that has replied here but read up and youll find drink is a poison.So why do that?? or the additives in preprepared meals.takeaways etc You know these things are present but still take them in.You lie to yourself that its ok because you do it occasionally but lie you do.

We're not all supermen [well maybe ededwards ] a restricted diet of raw fish and pulses isnt the usual menu for most.

So thanks to everyone ill leave it at that.
As stated before in many threads im totally mince at explaining things so please forgive me if you took the wrong meaning from my words, that was not my intention.

PS
A few more emoticons spread about
You're crazy
You're crazy :shock:
You're crazy :roll:
You're crazy :x

 

[silverclaws]

It's a toughie I think, one likes the effects or be it the social aspect of smoking, but one wants off the tar, as let's face it alcohol is a poison, yet we choose to imbibe for it's effects, so why should people be oppressed into quitting nicotine ?

Sure the e fag might be the answer, but how effective are these things and because of the action of using what is to all intents and purposes a cigarette and it even looks like one, will e fag users come in for negative attention like the lepers the tobacco smokers have been made out to be in this so called fair society we live in

But just say the e fag is the way forward and it does the job, will it be accepted ?

Now I have one of these things and it looks like a cigarette, complete with the glowing tip when one inhales and it even emits a thin vapour from the tip. The hit, well, it's cold and grating on the throat and does not taste anything like tobacco and for me it was a failure as it was no substitute for the real thing.

Now perhaps part of the failure of this thing was the attitude of society when presented with someone using an electronic cigarette, believe me, it was little different from before and one was treated with suspicion. Then came the pub where I was told in no uncertain terms electronic fags can not be used inside the pub and that because using an electronic cigarette is still smoking. So I asked what is the pub chain against, actual tobacco smoke or the action, they said the action, so that was the e fag stuffed.

But this is part of my problem, what is banned, the tobacco smoke or the action and I need people to clarify, because what laws we have are being abused by ant smoking nazis and fabian style false education.

Now maybe I am in the same position as the OP, I like the effects of nicotine, just like the effects of alcohol, and to imbibe is my adult choice, but the imbibing of nicotine carries too much nastiness in this country, so just for a quiet life the only way forward for me was try to give up and not quit trying to give up.

But as to the anti smoking nazis, they have their script already written for them, because of what they do, it has done before and it works, created by their name sake, the nazis.

 

[dyna-ti]

Sure the e fag might be the answer, but how effective are these things

This is the question i was asking 3 pages ago

 

[silverclaws]

Put it this way, the e fag didn't stop me smoking and I went back onto real ones, as what was the point, still treated like a leper, still dictated to and still made to feel like crap because I needed nicotine, there was no point in trying to be more acceptable so why bother, one may as well enjoy oneself with what one knows works.

Now if the nazis were less cruel, maybe I would have used the e fag, despite the fact it was not the same, perhaps I would have compromised, but no, the nazis wanted it all their way and when that happens with me, I dig in heels just to spite.

Life is too short for living in constant aggro.

So now I must quit completely to be acceptable and for a quiet life, as mid forties now, the rebel in me is tired.

 

[chambo34]

no one yet knows, I believe the NHS is currently carrying out tests and IF they are suitable as a NRT product they may in time become available on prescription till then the jury is out.

 

[highlandsflyer]

I reckon they should prescribe chocolate fags. Everyone would be too fat to walk to the shop for real ones.

 

[8690q]

What about a vaporizer ?
I've seen mini ones you could just pack with a bit rolling tobacco rather than what most folk would use these for.
I'm thinking that if they clean your smoke right out to only give the good stuff if packed with weed then surely the same applies to tobacco.

 

[1duck]

vaporisers are great in theory, but you have to get the temperature just right or else you are sucking in all the bad stuff as well.