Does anyone know if Classic Repro is still operating?

[d8mok]

you are right,
but the point is that Classic-repro or also imporve-part are not just producing fakes, but supplying pieces where the original manufacturer isn't existing any longer or is not at all interested to produce replacement parts for old Bikes (like nowadays orianizations running Cannondale, Syncros, Yeti)

Think of Syncros Stem caps, simply much more Syncros stems of the 90ties are left than caps. Thanks god there are companies filling this gaps.

Why do they include the logo's then? Adding the logo is a step too far.

Justify it all you want. I do get it , as I've hunted for parts for years. But fake is fake. If they wanted to do it legit, they would obtain permission from the brands.

I hope one of the brands which is being faked, got wind of it and sued him.

Putting these fake pieces into the market place is wrong.

 

[Vesatoro]

Why do they include the logo's then? Adding the logo is a step too far.

Justify it all you want. I do get it , as I've hunted for parts for years. But fake is fake. If they wanted to do it legit, they would obtain permission from the brands.

I hope one of the brands which is being faked, got wind of it and sued him.

Putting these fake pieces into the market place is wrong.

I agree this to some point. Some not:
- suspension system internal parts,
- bearings/bushings,
- rubber wear parts: inner and outer tires, grips, sealings,
- cables (cable outers to some extent also).

Of course museum pieces should be built only of original parts. But most of us do not build museum pieces.

 

[d8mok]

I agree this to some point. Some not:
- suspension system internal parts,
- bearings/bushings,
- rubber wear parts: inner and outer tires, grips, sealings,
- cables (cable outers to some extent also).

Of course museum pieces should be built only of original parts. But most of us do not build museum pieces.

Yes totally different view if its items like you mention. But churning out seatposts with another brands logo is wrong.

Imagine you buy a bike for good money, only to find the parts are fake.

 

[Betsy]

I bought some 'Onza Fauxupines' from them, not much difference in cost between those and legits.. only reason i bought repros rather than nos was old rubber products tend to break down over time and i wanted to ride these grips without getting sticky black gloop transfer on my hands.. same shit happens from the ruberised steering wheels of my old cars... albeit, worse because of UV exposure.

 

[fguki]

Why not spend the money on legitimate original parts rather than fake ones?


Ali express gets a hard time but is no different apart from country of manufacture.

Call it re-pro all you want but using someone else’s branding and design without authority is simply selling fakes.

That must be the dumbest answer I have reads all week. Leave them be and go find your all original parts!

 

[d8mok]

That must be the dumbest answer I have reads all week. Leave them be and go find your all original parts!

That surprises me as it’s usually you that’s posting the dumb stuff. I’m not surprised you would support them though.

I hope anyone producing fakes gets caught.

 

[Betsy]

Lads..lads.. there’s no need for all this fussin n’a feuding..

This isn't just black and white, there are shades of grey..

Take fake Nike’s for instance, they're terrible quality and often a front for child labour, people trafficking, money laundering and such, the folks who buy them do so because they can't afford legit Nike’s, they have my sympathies because they're horrendously overpriced but their vanity doesn't justify contributing to any the above^..

The story of "fake" Levi's is a little more complicated.. you can go to any market in Thailand and buy a pair of fake Levi's for a fiver.. there is no different from the previously mentioned Nike’s

However.. after WW2 Japan adopted a lot of American culture, baseball and such.. they wanted to emulate the US troops positioned around the Pacific.. traditional dress gave way to western fashion, including their Levi’s.. most of which were far too big.. by the 1980s enterprising Japanese folks were traveling to America to buy vintage Levi’s for resale in Japan.. in the years following the 28” waist 1940s era Levi’s all but ran out.. Levi’s became a massive fashion brand and to maximise profit and reduce costs they moved production away from the USA to Turkey.. so the quality of the jeans isn't that much better than the previously mentioned Thai fakes..

The Japanese given the choice between shit quality highstreet Levi’s or massively expensive oversized vintage Levi’s started to make their own..the difference being, their jeans are a homage to the Levi’s of the past when things were made with care rather than a direct fake.. they're not trying to fob people off with fake Levi’s, the jeans don’t say Levi’s anywhere on the product.. they change elements so it's a play on words.. they would be horrified if people thought their jeans were shitty highsteet Levi's but impressed if people thought their jeans could pass for 1940s era vintage Levi's.. as i say, shades of grey

In the decades following the Japanese honed their craft and Levi's quality continued to decline.. International copyright is a bitch to protect but this all changed thanks to the internet when folks discovered they could actually buy a decent pair of jeans from Japan and Levi's took them all to court to protect their trademarks, namely back pocket arcs, two horse patch and red tab.. all of which had to be removed if they were going to be sold outside JP..

I see echos of this in the bike world.. if i could buy a Pace RC20 middle ring from Pace, i would in a heartbeat.. but after 12 months of fruitless searching, i would certainly consider a perfect repro but I do agree re- logos, it's a step too far.. the Pace ring should be branded 'Face' as a homage rather than a direct copy.. because lack of availability is also harming the Retrobike world..

Regarding tee-shirt printing with an exact copy of a Syncros design.. that is just blatant fakery and no different to the Thai fakes whichever country it's manufactured in.. the only way of doing it ethically is to buy the Syncros brand from the owners then you can use their artistic license till your hearts content.. you would need deep pockets and the financial burdon of protecting your brand becomes your own.. this is the point when your perspective changes regarding both homage and fakes.

You should buy the Syncros brand @fguki don't you own 4 New York apartments?.. sell a couple of those and buy the Syncros brand then you can use someone elses artistic license till your hearts content.

 

[Gtpulse]

I think stuff that is made to look exactly like the original should have some even very minor differentiation. In the diecast car collecting world (mainly Dinky/Corgi) for example a mint example of a particular model is worth a lot more with a mint box. I’ve seen reproductions of boxes that are really very hard to tell apart from an original. That’s one of my dad’s hobbies not mine!