Dave Yates 853

[oldave]

Agree looks like a front ender to me.

 

[suburbanreuben]

I can see nothing in that pic to suggest a front ender. Should I get down to spec savers?
For use with LT forks it would have a seemingly steeper head angle that slackens out when the long forks are fitted. like this one ere:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=213406&hilit=dave+yates

 

[mechagouki]

If it's suffered a serious front end impact there will be small bulges on the underside of the downtube, along with cracked or missing paint. You couldn't however, significantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it unless you actually bent or broke one of the main tubes. I suspect it looks odd in the first picture because the photo was taken by someone standing close to the bike looking down, thus skewing the perspective of the frame. Unless someone is actually making parallelogram shaped radiators that is.

 

[Rod_Saetan]

If it's suffered a serious front end impact there will be small bulges on the underside of the downtube, along with cracked or missing paint. You couldn't however, significantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it unless you actually bent or broke one of the main tubes.

but you could insignificantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it and not causing a tube to bend or break?

 

[coomber]

It certainly warrants old cables removing and better photos

 

[mechagouki]

If it's suffered a serious front end impact there will be small bulges on the underside of the downtube, along with cracked or missing paint. You couldn't however, significantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it unless you actually bent or broke one of the main tubes.

but you could insignificantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it and not causing a tube to bend or break?

lol at my "fram" typo, stupid apple keyboard.

My point was that you wouldn't be able to change the head angle enough for it to be visibly wrong without some quite obvious tube deformity/breakage :

 

[Rod_Saetan]

Aha! A challenge! I bet I could, a little bit.

 

[suburbanreuben]

If it's suffered a serious front end impact there will be small bulges on the underside of the downtube, along with cracked or missing paint. You couldn't however, significantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it unless you actually bent or broke one of the main tubes.

but you could insignificantly change the headtube angle of a steel fram by crashing it and not causing a tube to bend or break?

How?
The seller got a nice bargain with this frame and he should be able to at least cover his costs. However, it looks like he's going to blow it by taking crap photos...

 

[greenstiles]

Mr Yates builds 'custom' frames.......he has his own idea of head angles, but perhaps a customer wanted it that way.......

 

[Rod_Saetan]

How?

You answer a question with a question?