Claud Butler - Carpenter - Vintage Bike - Wheel Help

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

So the mystery continues lol. Tried having a little Google myself but seems people generally struggle to date CB's, I'll have a look at the catalogue you linked.

There are only a couple that are fillet brazed, so check pump pegs and frame fittings. Your frame has the right cranks and pedals for the Coronation. Claud would build what you wanted. International club is box lined and has the right fittings but 27". Hah! scrub that it has a curved brake bridge

 

[vcballbat]

It all about the price tag £££

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/claud-butler-quiz-time.451471/post-3301344

 

[Woz]

Just looked don't think the Coronation is 531 so doesn't fit, cant be the Coronation. It could be a special but I am not knowledgeable enough to say for sure. All the others are for 27" wheels which we now is tight if not impossible with m/g.

https://www.nkilgariff.com/CBcats/Cat_53/CB1953_Cat.htm

Interesting looking at that.
- Fascinating idea looking at the pump pegs
- The down-tube decals on the Coronation don't seem right either.
- There are few other nice models with 531 and smaller decals close to the down-tube gear lever, but like you say 27"
- The geometry diagrams are interesting and state a 27" close clearance design too. Would that correspond to sprint rims in 700c size or something simply not intended for mud-guards? I don't know enough of the timelines when sprint rims in 700c size started to become available in the British Isles, but a serious club racing cyclist would know a bit what was happening on the continent. Dunno. Just guesses.

Never before did a newbie who joined Retrobike pick such a great user name

It is a freaking nightmare, at least there are catalogues with photographs instead of line drawings like the French did

Would looking at the +/- 1 year catalogues help any? As we know things were never that exact.

Ultimately though like you said, if an inflated 700 x 28C fits (even without mudguards) the bike is saved and usable again for summer day riding.

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Interesting looking at that.
- Fascinating idea looking at the pump pegs
- The down-tube decals on the Coronation don't seem right either.
- There are few other nice models with 531 and smaller decals close to the down-tube gear lever, but like you say 27"
- The geometry diagrams are interesting and state a 27" close clearance design too. Would that correspond to sprint rims in 700c size or something simply not intended for mud-guards? I don't know enough of the timelines when sprint rims in 700c size started to become available in the British Isles, but a serious club racing cyclist would know a bit what was happening on the continent. Dunno. Just guesses.

Never before did a newbie who joined Retrobike pick such a great user name

It is a freaking nightmare, at least there are catalogues with photographs instead of line drawings like the French did

Would looking at the +/- 1 year catalogues help any? As we know things were never that exact.

Ultimately though like you said, if an inflated 700 x 28C fits (even without mudguards) the bike is saved and usable again for summer day riding.

Good idea re catalogues What makes it worse is you could order whatever you wanted

 

[WhtANightmare]

Interesting looking at that.
- Fascinating idea looking at the pump pegs
- The down-tube decals on the Coronation don't seem right either.
- There are few other nice models with 531 and smaller decals close to the down-tube gear lever, but like you say 27"
- The geometry diagrams are interesting and state a 27" close clearance design too. Would that correspond to sprint rims in 700c size or something simply not intended for mud-guards? I don't know enough of the timelines when sprint rims in 700c size started to become available in the British Isles, but a serious club racing cyclist would know a bit what was happening on the continent. Dunno. Just guesses.

Never before did a newbie who joined Retrobike pick such a great user name

It is a freaking nightmare, at least there are catalogues with photographs instead of line drawings like the French did

Would looking at the +/- 1 year catalogues help any? As we know things were never that exact.

Ultimately though like you said, if an inflated 700 x 28C fits (even without mudguards) the bike is saved and usable again for summer day riding.

Haha the username does seem to be the story of my life when it comes to what always starts off as a quick delve into a 'project' whether it be attempting woodwork, to home DIY, to now retro bikes

Is there a link to the different catalogues available to browse? I couldn't see a way to choose a different catalogue on the previous link?

Hopefully I won't have driven myself completely insane by the time the bike is in a rideable condition

 

[Woz]

https://nkilgariff.com/ then Select Claud Butler from the Model menu on the left hand side.

Personally think the Carpenter is the more interesting out of the two bikes. Date wise they seem very similar.

 

[WhtANightmare]

Must admit the only reason I started off more interested in the CB is because i appear to have a photo of my Wife's grandad actually racing on that bike (or at least that's the one it looked like from my pre researched brain) sonas a homage to the family that was the one I was thinking would be good to restore. However everyone I've spoken to that has heard of carpenter have all said this is the better bike l, so it's seems I'm just going to have to try and do them both (well potentially if I can a) afford to, b) have the mental capacity to, c) don't **** up along the way )

 

[WhtANightmare]

There are only a couple that are fillet brazed, so check pump pegs and frame fittings. Your frame has the right cranks and pedals for the Coronation. Claud would build what you wanted. International club is box lined and has the right fittings but 27". Hah! scrub that it has a curved brake bridge

Pump peg distance is 16 inches

Also cleaned off the grease from the double fix hub which I attach it just has the letters FB and a picture of a bird with spread wings and a wheel below.

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

The hub shown is a Fratelli Brivio. They made the early Campagnolo hubs, very nice. Looks to be alloy flanges and chromed steel barrel. Again a lot of hubs of this era were like this. The pump centres are closer to the Coronation than the others. The others are 18"

 

[jim haseltine]

Fratelli Brivio (Brivio brothers), made all sort of cycle components branded with their own and other company names. They also manufactured the original Campagnolo quick releases - and most likely did most of the development work. At one time they shared a factory in France with Campagnolo.