Charlie should it matter where this bike was karma'd from? I have chipped in on this build and will try to help out more with it if I can. Yes I go on the other site where they dont/wont allow peeps to bash this site so why do you feel the need to bash theirs? John does a few bikes up and sells them for charity good on him. He could quite easily pocket the cash but he dosent. I have been karma' d a near enough complete bike from someone on their but didnt post it up on here cos I just knew some dick would have to use it as a point to start bashing the other site.