Buying abroad....import into the uk.....?

I've got this thread running as im hoping to import a frame from Canada.

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/importing-a-frame-from-canada-costs.489199/

I will try to avoid as many charges as possible (within the law). But it isn't easy to find a definitive answer on what will be charged.

It also annoys me that they want VAT on a used item where the taxes will have been paid when new. oh plus likely import taxes and lots of other things
 
My only defence is that i just like to buy nice things 😊.. those things are often used / vintage and have already been subject to VAT under the common market. (edit- Dom beat me to it^)

When it comes to buying new.. i don't mind paying VAT.. the only reason i buy from abroad is.. UK consumer goods are more often than not, made in China, lowest common denominator, race to the bottom type nonsense.. i don't mind who makes my consumables, i just want them to be high quality, made with care and a fair wage paid under reasonable working conditions.. which is why i buy from JP instead of the UK.
 
I've bought from Bike Discount in Germany since Brexit and never been charged any extra below £135. Above that they sort the VAT then you get hit for customs by the courier. Plenty of people on Singletrackworld report the same but even with the charges plenty of parts (forks, etc) still work out cheaper.

https://www.bike-discount.de/en/bike

Yep.. now we're out of the customs union, If the goods are worth less than £135 then the seller should register with HMRC and pay the VAT

If the sale is via eBay then eBay act as tax collector and the VAT is added at point of purchase so there are no additional charges at the UK border.

A lot of small foreign sellers have no clue about this so do not register with HMRC and VAT is evaded.. or sometimes purposely evaded.. i would assume 'Bike Discount' would be registered..

This is how companies like Temu, Shein and such avoid VAT by directly shipping low value goods to UK customers without registering with HMRC.

...and this is where the waters are muddied.. when you're buying from an individual rather than a company.. the application of VAT can be a bit like the wild west.. as @d8mok has found out
 
Technically vat is due only on any margin added to a used item (fair enough) - although you might only be able to do it this way if you are vat registered?

I'm interested in total tax paid across income range.
It looks like the low paid pay low tax, and the rich pay 20% (by taking earnings as capital gains)
So those employed earning 25-50k are often paying the most, at around 35-45%
 
Technically vat is due only on any margin added to a used item (fair enough) - although you might only be able to do it this way if you are vat registered?

I'm interested in total tax paid across income range.
It looks like the low paid pay low tax, and the rich pay 20% (by taking earnings as capital gains)
So those employed earning 25-50k are often paying the most, at around 35-45%

Are we now talking about income tax ?
 
In short, either you declare whatever it is worth to you with according insurance to hush your grief in case of loss. Either you declare as low value as possible and trust another fellow enthousiast. Sending as dirty (and kona stinky) as possible is also a good deterrant to TheAXe. You get way better deals on postage costs on meta sites (like parcelmonkey, postagesupermarket etc) that regroup several couriers as they have unbeatable deals with them. I recently bought an item on ebay and offered more than asking price but put the extra in form of postage costs to avoid extra fees. Guess what? Ebay put as much fees on the extra postage cost as they would have put on the item (we tried that option previously and thought we found a way around) ! No idea how ebay can justify that legally, to fully tax postage costs which were already taxed, but apparently it's ok for ebay to do it...
So the cheapest is buy in trust and keep everything low and send the rest as friend either in PP or other method. I regularly deal with people who trust nobody since platforms (especially since 2020) relentlessly tell you nobody is to be trusted ('only use our secure payment method') and that basically, before that, we all must have ripped off each other into oblivion... While they force you to couple your phone to your account (extra 'security' bs, been using the net and passwords since 1996 and never had one breach; yet big tech constantly proposes you to remember passwords, well if you need that you obviously shouldn't use anything requiring a password...), people have become increasingly afraid to mention their number. If a number was sufficient for those boogeyman hackers, they'd just type a number at chance no? If you don't want issues with accounts it simple: don't couple it to your number! As I'm an experienced seller/recycler, I usually quickly recognize scammers (a rare occasion but comes in waves) who do call by asking them a few questions. They have usual m.o.'s of only calling for expensive items. Let's say a car part that is compatible with many cars: you ask them what car they want to mount it on. Most scammers are so lazy (or it's not time efficient) they don't even read the ad description and so they can't even respond to what car they are going to use your expensive item for. There are many, many ways (with a bit of logic, not paranoia about the unknown) to spot scammers. If you're paranoid or lack logic, only buy new in the store and bring a knowledgeable friend. When you call, you can quickly judge who you are dealing with and even make friends (I do) and exchange valuable information without using electronic media. If you are a seller, remember you are nobody's slave and it's a sale on your terms. Not even sure if we should call it a sale with used items, as 99% of the time it is a partial compensation for the value depreciation (especially in real buying power of the date). So most times, it's a loss, not an income. It's a win for the environment and should be promoted instead of taxed.
 
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