BOTM May 2007 - Time to start voting
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rumpfy wrote:
I wouldn't worry about submitting non period correct bikes, everyone has the right to submit. Just look at the ones that win-almost always amazing, period correct(ish) bikes that just look right. I think it's fair enough to have a +/- of a few years on bits on a bike as everyone upgrades, as long as the bike still has the right vibe. I'm sure you'll never find a winner with hollowtechs/modern drives etc, but discs - why not? Mountain Cycles did 'em from day one and they're definately retro and the original Hopes are well over a decade old now. In the reverse I've just put a set of NOS Cooks on my Seven but you certainly won't find me entering that into BOTM!
Maybe we should have a Rumpfy vs Carsten themed BOTM next month, far too many nice bikes between the two of them!
I wouldn't worry about submitting non period correct bikes, everyone has the right to submit. Just look at the ones that win-almost always amazing, period correct(ish) bikes that just look right. I think it's fair enough to have a +/- of a few years on bits on a bike as everyone upgrades, as long as the bike still has the right vibe. I'm sure you'll never find a winner with hollowtechs/modern drives etc, but discs - why not? Mountain Cycles did 'em from day one and they're definately retro and the original Hopes are well over a decade old now. In the reverse I've just put a set of NOS Cooks on my Seven but you certainly won't find me entering that into BOTM!
Maybe we should have a Rumpfy vs Carsten themed BOTM next month, far too many nice bikes between the two of them!
Jez won BOTM with a disc on his trimble 
rumpfy
BoTY Winner
pete_mcc":3rdsihw0 said:
True. You can't/don't want to turn anyone away from being a part of BOTM. It's an open forum and everyone's definition of 'vintage/retro/classic' is different.
I'm all for the +/- a few years as it's pretty hard to get 100% correct.
I guess I'm just seeing stuff that, in my opinion, doesn't fit on a vintage bike. Build a bike how you want to build a bike...but I don't get excited to see modern off the shelf parts on old bikes...even if they are in the spirit of retro.
As for Rumpfy vs. Carsten....he'd whoop my ass. I lack the attention to detail that Carsten has. Stellar collection he's got going.
Though I'd venture a guess that more of my bikes get ridden.
>Though I'd venture a guess that more of my bikes get ridden.
for sure. i have three bikes that i ride regularly. two of them since more than 10 years. unfortunately (or not?) i need XL bikes to ride on and those just dont look nice. i would not collect XL sized bikes because it's no fun to look at them. those i like to look at i cannot ride. has the advantage that those i like to look at are unused (mint or NOS) and clean so i can store them in the house. no garage queens here
Carsten
for sure. i have three bikes that i ride regularly. two of them since more than 10 years. unfortunately (or not?) i need XL bikes to ride on and those just dont look nice. i would not collect XL sized bikes because it's no fun to look at them. those i like to look at i cannot ride. has the advantage that those i like to look at are unused (mint or NOS) and clean so i can store them in the house. no garage queens here
Carsten
Right!
I've had enough of these jibes!
I was very open from the outset that the Pace wasn't finished. I was just bored of hanging around until it was before I entered, I got drunk one night and submitted photos. I have also been very open about the fact that the Pace is my EVERYDAY WORK BIKE. From that I want reliability and would rather spend £100 quid on a pair of cranks that'll last for ever than £100 quid on a pair of cranks that I'll have to replace in a years time. It's just common sense and practical. I don't have the money to spend repeatedly on the same component just to appease people. Don't see the problem really. If you don't like, don't vote.
If you are in the fantastic position of being so rich as to have lots of NOS bikes that you can't even ride but like to look at on the wall, then well done. I'm very impressed.
Not sure which is the worse of two evils though really. At least my bike gets b$%£*y ridden.
I see it more a case of keeping a frame and major components going than stressing about the fact my jockey wheels might not be from 1994. Should you still run radial tyres on a vintage car, even though they don't work, wear out quickly and are massivley expensive to buy or get made up - when you could buy replicas in modern materials...? No, maybe the car should be left untouched, and bricked up on a front room...
And yes I am angry, so I won't apologise.
I've had enough of these jibes!
I was very open from the outset that the Pace wasn't finished. I was just bored of hanging around until it was before I entered, I got drunk one night and submitted photos. I have also been very open about the fact that the Pace is my EVERYDAY WORK BIKE. From that I want reliability and would rather spend £100 quid on a pair of cranks that'll last for ever than £100 quid on a pair of cranks that I'll have to replace in a years time. It's just common sense and practical. I don't have the money to spend repeatedly on the same component just to appease people. Don't see the problem really. If you don't like, don't vote.
If you are in the fantastic position of being so rich as to have lots of NOS bikes that you can't even ride but like to look at on the wall, then well done. I'm very impressed.
Not sure which is the worse of two evils though really. At least my bike gets b$%£*y ridden.
I see it more a case of keeping a frame and major components going than stressing about the fact my jockey wheels might not be from 1994. Should you still run radial tyres on a vintage car, even though they don't work, wear out quickly and are massivley expensive to buy or get made up - when you could buy replicas in modern materials...? No, maybe the car should be left untouched, and bricked up on a front room...
And yes I am angry, so I won't apologise.
rumpfy
BoTY Winner
Carsten":xvizgxan said:>Though I'd venture a guess that more of my bikes get ridden.
for sure. i have three bikes that i ride regularly. two of them since more than 10 years. unfortunately (or not?) i need XL bikes to ride on and those just dont look nice. i would not collect XL sized bikes because it's no fun to look at them. those i like to look at i cannot ride. has the advantage that those i like to look at are unused (mint or NOS) and clean so i can store them in the house. no garage queens here
Carsten
Ah, you're a tall guy huh? That helps the temptation to ride a bike. Such fine NOS examples, I can see being left untouched. I have a couple that I won't ride either...but still not as nice as what you have.
House kept is a bonus!
All my bikes fit me...and are just used enough that the temptation becomes too great.
rumpfy
BoTY Winner
BoyBurning":26yariqd said:
Wow, that was awfully easy to get you upset.
No reason to be angry and no reason to apologize.
I don't agree with a some of the builds in the BOTM, but I'm not angry about it.
Just tossing my thoughts into the ring. Take it for what it's worth (which is hopefully not much).
I'm not rich. I'm in the fantastic position of location and have been collecting for over a half dozen years.
My bikes all fit and they get ridden. Hard. They're not all 100% year perfect builds, but close....down to the pully wheels and tires.
I like your car tire (tyre) analogy though and I agree....though I don't think we're quite there yet with vintage mtbs.
I'd run modern tires on a daily vintage rider then don the 'show tires' for the photo shoot I guess.
